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God created nature or are we an evolution of bio organisms first?

I recently learn Survival is more important than Love. If God is love, it is certainly not unconditional love, as they prepare their whole life to meet this God. After Survival, love and work creates a healthier and happier way, to thrive in a successful life.

How about works for you?

Leading cause of death in the world is from the mainstream medical profession. The top ten greatest ways to die in this world, is unhealthy food and lack of exercise related. If your God supposes corruption in the supermarket, fastfoods, chemo, radiation and most prescription drugs. Then your concept of God is probably unnatural and likely evil. 

My Personal alternatives solutions has been in superfoods and cannabis herb medicines that are ahead of the ridged game. I'm very cautious of Corperationism Government and the powers to be. I'll go by : you are what you think: Plus, Nature is always right. There is only one God that almost everyone worships daily and it's Nome is the Government, not mine. Nobody can lead my life, better than myself. When religious God's, politics all immerge into war, let assholes be assholes.

Are you the king of your own domain?

Castlepaloma 8 June 27
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This is a word salad, not sure if I got everything you wanted to put out there. Seems the message is (my words): government = bad, nature = good, you don't want corporations in your life, and a bit of self-reflection on how you live your life. Is that about right?
Also, you might wish to be put a caveat with that "nature is always right" expression. There are natural things that are not always right. This can include arsenic, cyanide, tetraodontidae, mercury and other things that are generally detrimental to a long and/or healthy life. Maybe I misunderstood what you meant in that phrase.

Nature just does what nature does. It has no definitions for anything; good/bad, right/wrong, natural/unnatural, normal/abnormal. Those are all human created definitions and they differ for each human.

I can understand nature, even Unjustice of the cayote eats the rabbit, the cougar eats the cayote and so on in the cycle of life. Yet still all animals love. I don't understand why people take chemo and radiation base it's source from war, not love. Along with humans killing most of the animals on earth for the pass 40 years. God said, Man is superior to all animals, not from my studies and experiences.

@jlynn37 Nature does what nature does... I think that is a good way of stating it. Far less clumsy than I did (I was trying to preserve the original wording and how I read it in an effort to get clarity). "Right" and "wrong" imply values from how I was viewing it.

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I swear that whole post reads like it was written by a random word generator or maybe the predictive text feature on an i-phone. It's only slightly less rambling than the tax laws read by a guy stoned on meth.

What I got was:

  • You like nature
  • You like healthy food
  • The medical profession kills everyone

Please never try to write a book.

Don't except many will grasp such a deep Indoctrinationed system that threw most overboard 40 years ago.

• Yes, doing this off my cellphone, Dont claim to be a writter. Have done 4 decades of continuously being an artist and urban farmer. Who drawns 10s of millions of physical attendance to my artwork worldwide. Why use one sense, when I can draw all the senses to my work.

• I don't like nature or health foods, ... I love them.

. Don't like drugs, exspeically meth, herbs is where you want to be.

• Prove otherwise the medical profession is not the leading cause of death. It's a free world, if you totally want to trust synthetic corporatism with your life in food and medicine. Or maybe I am wrong, perhaps stupidity is the leading cause of death.

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Live and let live. You do you, I do me and let's strive to love our fellow beings on this planet and cause or do no harm.

Spot on!

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I have absolitely no idea what you are talking about. FOCUS!

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"Leading cause of death in the world is from the mainstream medical profession." Do you know what life expectancies were before modern medicine?

For the first time in modern history, right now, life expectancy has lowered. I don't care if biblical age life expectancy was in their late 20s.

@Castlepaloma Leading causes of death worldwide: [who.int]
Not the mainstread medical profession.

@Stephanie99

You think the hospital profession and pharmaceutical would publish their true stats and hurt their record profits?

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I don't mean to be rude, I see that some people understand you, but this whole post is super confusing to me.

Ask away, any part that's confusing. The idea is to simplfed things that can be complicated.

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Why are you babbling on about some "gawd"? Pretty inappropriate!

Yeah, I kind of wondered about that myself.

I'm surprised anyone can make any sense of this at all. Not one complete thought without it drifting off to somewhere else. Not to mention the grammar.

@nastynifty ” I'm sorry, but I have to share this information. Did you know there are thousands of men, women and children who’s IQ ranges above 140, and many of these superior intellects can’t write complete sentences or spell the basics of words. Their minds are wired way differently from us average folk. Then there are the people that English is not their first language. I’d hate to know that these people stopped sharing their views because of P’s and Q’s that only make sense to the few.

@Debbera um, I had an IQ of 143 at the 8th grade test, only missed 2 questions on the PSAT 2 years later. (Graduated HS after 3 years)
Unless dyslexic, sheer laziness IMO.

@AnneWimsey Happy to meet you AnneWimsey, take pride in those gifts. I’d bet limited beliefs are a royal pain to your intellect. Once I read, that there are 112 levels to reality but, most will base their perceptions in only one. You brought up two great points, Dyslexia and sheer laziness. Isn't it refreshing to know we have 110 other levels of reality yet to explain poor grammatical skills.

@Debbera who, exactly, wrote that about "112 levels of reality"??????? You, maybe?

@AnneWimsey Lol, I’m not the swift, actually there’s 114 levels 2 will develop naturally when you start this practice. Its a Buddhist teachings. I had to learn the seven limbs of Rasha yoga when I decided to became a yoga instructor.

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I’m with you on most of that, especially the cannabis, but be careful not to mistrust modern medicine to the point of going down a rabbit hole. As someone without insurance with an abundance of nature around me, I’m all for certain forms of naturopathy and treating minor symptoms with natural ingredients as much as possible. It’s true that most of what is wrong with Americans especially could be fixed with a better diet, and as a farmer I know that a lot of our mass food production methods and FDA fine print isn’t in our favor as customers. Some of it is. Not everything’s a conspiracy but, again, some of it is.

Some illnesses still require professional help. If it’s that serious it might be necessary to do both; treat yourself with excercise, herbs and diet but also go to the doctor, take their professional advice and take your medicine. The common problem is modern medicine in a capitalist market is corrupted into treating symptoms and not root issues. It’s not financially advantageous to cure you; better if they can keep treating you with things that cause more symptoms to be treated. But a lot of times there truly is no known cure and they’re doing the best they can for you.

A lot of pharmaceutical companies look at us as nothing but paychecks, true, but most doctors individually are still trying to do their best for you. Hear them out and do your own research on your meds, take advantage of vaccinations and ask about other options to the rest of your meds if the side effects or ingredients are unacceptable. Switch doctors if he seems a little too happy to see you so often. But still, see one if you’re fortunate enough to be able to afford it.

Always be careful not to throw out the baby with the bath water. Too many modern people think nature can do nothing for them and too many regressive people think modern science can do nothing for them. Both are wrong.

Worlitzer you make some really great points. Agnostic friends please look at and investigate with an open mind all available information and help when facing a significant decision regarding health and the future function of your body. Rejection of a form treatment or modern medicine because of anecdotal evidence or stubbornness or belief only in naturopathic cures or belief that companies are out to get you (even though they may be) may lead to a bad or inadequate decision. Investigate, talk to those on several sides, do not reject science because your mad at pharmaceutical companies, pin down the facts. Do the best for you.

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If you believe in gods, religion, and the bible then you have to believe in conditional love.

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I believe in no Gods. And also believe Homo sapiens have gotten dumber in this regard as time has gone by. Some of our ancient ancestors worshipped the Sun God. Heck, at least it was real and if it did not show up the next day you be dead.

Maybe when Jesus said he was the Son of God. He might of meant, .the Sun of God. I sure there were a hell of alot of wrong translations.

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Survival v love is an individual concept. so is how you live your life....and that kind of depends on, do you believe you were put here for a 'purpose'....or do you believe it's random things that happen......neither answer is better than the other.....one can argue you should live as long as you possibly can, another could argue you should experience as much life as you can....

you are the king of your own domain only when you determine what is important to you

I think it is really important to have a mind set for your purposes in life, it keeps you stronger.

I know how to make God laugh... Tell God my Plans.

Everyone will runs into traumatic moments at times. It's how we gracefully solves these issues or problems, that will determine less suffering wail reaching for more happiness. In the end, the one with the most joys in life, not toys...wins.

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I'd like to know what the other 8 of the top 10 greatest ways to die are..

Don't care much about stats from the FDA or other centralized health organization or the medical profession. Because most of them are based on money & lies. Just for extreme emergency, mainstream medical is a must.

I am an ace in biology, world history and my own style of numberology. Do have my own stats of the top ten ways to die and the number one is listed above.. For the first time in modern history, peoples life expectancy is lowering.

Here is the list of the common top 10 most likely ways you’re going to die.
1 Heart dieses,
2 Cancer.
Between one and two, about 63% of people will die, so I concur indirectly.

Here is an example where many former Oncologists will agree with me on. In the 60s one in 10 people died of cancer. Today one in two males and one in three females will die of cancer. It will exceed heart disease in the near future. Health organization, FDA and the mainstream medical profession gold standard for cancer is chemo, radiation and surgery. I hold these organizations to be most responsible for the greatest genocide ever. I find chemo is Hitler's revenge as it came out of world war 2 in the first place.

Yes,I quit my one girlfriend addiction on cocaine. I guit my Dad addictions on alcohol yet he returned clean and we had an excellent second half of our lives. I guit WG Bush commission war addiction for a war sculptor, he took my US Green card away. I will never support genocides of any kind. Chemo is the worst addiction of them all put together. My love for myself, humanity and keeping the integrity. Is greater than the sum of any one individual like my love for my recent girlfriend who is addictived to chemo, although I can accept the Catholic thing.

To continue the top ten
3. Chronic lower respiratory diseases:
4.Accidents (unintentional injuries):
5. Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases.
6. Alzheimer's disease. ...
7. Lung cancer, trachea and bronchus..
8. Diabetes.
9. Kidney disease
10. Suicide. Kills more than war, murder and Aids combined. Life can not be that great to kill yourself over a few who are just too greedy.

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God isn't real. Evolution is. Survival is more important than love, but without love, survival isn't worth it.The leading cause of long lives is also the medical profession. Weed, and anything that comes from weed is good and helps a lot with a lot of things, but it doesn't cure anything. Superfoods; same thing.Nature isn't always right (See: AIDS, Cancer, SIDS, a billion other naturally occuring diseases and illnesses). In addition to being an antitheist athesit, I am also and anarchist and agovernmentist. Some days, I feel like anyone could live my life better than me... but who would want to? If we let assholes be assholes, then eventually everyone will think it's okay to be assholes. I do not want to live in a world full of assholes (too late).
I am not the king of my own domain, however I am the Princess of Darkness, so same difference.

I got some Anarchist in me. The new word for me was governmentalist.

To make and administer the public policy and affairs of (a state, for example); exercise sovereign authority over.
2. To control the speed or magnitude of; regulate: a valve that governs fuel intake.
3. To control the actions or behavior of: Govern yourselves like civilized people.
4. To keep under control; restrain: a student who could not govern his impulses.
5. To exercise a deciding or determining influence on: Chance usually governs the outcome of the game.
6. Grammar To require (a specific morphological form) of accompanying words.

Cool

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Any chance of making your comments in a bullet point format as it is quite difficult to grasp what you are saying in this format

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God or Evolution.... simple answer I Dont know. There is no tangible evidence of anything supernatural and we can see mutations over time in genetics so Evolution is clearly the more likely possibility so put me in that camp. If there is God and he/she will not manifest themselves to do something or talk to us then it seems pointless to even worry about it.. who cares who your dad is if he left before you were born and never comes to visit...

God is good vs evil... irrelevant till there is a reason to believe a god exists, contemplating it seems like a waste of time that could be spent making music or playing with the dogs.

The scientific method of testing works, period. All the technology that you see around you attests to that. Most medicine is tested for efficacy. I have seen claims that Cannabis can do everything up to and including parting the red sea for some people to pass through. I have no doubt that it is effective for some thngs but without real testing it seems very bad to accept claims that it does more than control pain. I wouldnt use aspirin to replace chemotherapy, so no reason to use cannabis. A big dose of skepticism in all areas is my preferred method of dealing with the massive amount of pseudo science claims out there.

I had cancer at 13, went through chemotherapy and am 50 now. I will not even try to tell you that it was not a brutal thing to go through .. it sucked.. I still participate to this day in long term follow up studies to track long term side effects and recurrence. So while there are pharmaceutical companies making money off treatment there are also millions of people who dedicate thier lives to treating them and genuinely want what is best for those people.This is evident by the fact that 37 years later they still contact me to collect data ( no they are not getting money from me either).

There is room and reason for people to be skeptical of chemotherapy but testimonials that do not come with solid evidence are not something that will sway my opinion much. If they come up with evidence everyone wins.

I am truly sorry that your ex girlfriend is suffering.

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Survival is not important than love. Love is our inclination to help others survive. The survival of the population is more important than the individual.

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Evolution created God!

zesty Level 7 July 11, 2019
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Im not real sure of your world view, but I do know I wouldn’t follow it. It’s all so intense. Full of negatives. Are you starting a cult or something?

There is alot of money can be made in religion, maybe I should stop being an artist. Lol.

My God, is love, nature is my Religion. At horrific times, I must survive it first.

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"My Personal alternatives solutions has been in superfoods and cannabis herb medicines that are ahead of the ridged game. I'm very cautious of Corperationism Government and the powers to be. I'll go by : you are what you think: Plus, Nature is always right. There is only one God that almost everyone worships daily and it's Nome is the Government, not mine. Nobody can lead my life, better than myself. When religious God's, politics all immerge into war, let assholes be assholes.

Are you the king of your own domain?"

All right out of the Bible 🙂

If it's in the Bible, alright!!!! At lease the odd thing can work too, ....from a bible.

@Castlepaloma believe it or not they were smarter than us, and they were not religious at all, ok? It is "kept" religious on the surface story to "hide wisdom from the wise?"

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Preparing your whole life to meet God is Mithraism, not Christianity. God hates religion as much as you do I'm sure

I’m not aware of any historical references to Mithraic teachings or doctrine. Do you have a reference please. Thanks

@Geoffrey51 um, it's in the Bible, in code, refs to Apollo, and "no one has ever gone up to heaven...," " there is only One Immortal," "you and your sons will be here with me" even, but a Google search of "Mithrism and..." will auto-complete for "Christianity"fwiw. Basically Apollo taking one who is not a "grey" to the Elysian Fields? Most "Christians" "waiting for Jesus" are total Mithraists

@bbyrd009 interesting. Do you have the biblical reference. Mithras is not Apollo.

@Geoffrey51 ah no, Jesus would be Apollo/Hermes in that scenario i guess. As for refs, wouldn't most any Christian admit to hoping to go up to heaven after they have died, to become an immortal? There is only One Immortal, who lives in unapproachable light; no one has ever gone up to heaven, et al. Also if you dig a pit for others, you end up in it yourself

@bbyrd009 This has no empirical founding whatsoever and as misleading for others as the Trinity of Christianity or the god/goddess structure of Mahayana Buddhism!

@Geoffrey51 Bro, it has so much empirical founding that google autocompletes "Christianity" for "Mithraism and" ok? Only the names have changed. Have a nice day

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i am not the king of anything, being a woman. i am not the queen of anything, not being a royalist and not caring to rule over anyone. god isn't love; god is just a fictional character, or a series of fictional characters. these characters don't concern me.

my domain is my body and it extends outward to wherever i am welcome. i am not worried about what anyone's conception of god is; my conception of that word is that it described any number of nonexistent, unimportant things. i spend almost no time at all thinking about it; it isn't worth my time or energy. evolution continues to operate without us.

you have a personal solution but i fail to see what problem you're trying to solve.

as for your claim that the medical profession is the leading cause of death, most people in the world have never met a doctor and they persist in dying anyway, usually younger than we would consider to be normal here in the western world. i'd be long dead were it not for the medical profession, so i am evidence to the contrary of your assertion. i am not alone in that.

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I think love differs, depending on the evaluation of the individual. Someone who prefer survival over love might live life at (the self) level, and their perceptions might reflect that. Maybe. Someone who is more evolved may risk life or lim for another, (let’s say their child.) and maybe they live life at a (selfless) level. So their world would reflect that. Now, I’ve read that the Awakened feel no emotion towards anyone or thing. They understand life to be a continuum so love is purely a personal issue like god, government and religion. They neither live their life selflessly or for self. Go figure.

I would think saving your life first is self serve, not selfish. Being a hell of an adventurer, I've saved mine and others lives serveral times. I found it mainly difficult to love any large central organization compare to individuals for the greed factor.

With 75% of people living from paycheck to pay check and not liking their jobs. Is like watching the living dead. Give me love, freedom and natural healthy stuff or give me death.

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In other words I am saying, if your life is threatened, save yourself first. What good is your love and services for humanity or nature, if your dead. I have broken up with my Christains girlfriend lately because she refused to stay off of chemotherapy and radiation. She keeps claiming her God wants this garbage for her. Her Catholic God sure has an monopoly on emotional termoil. I can't be an enabler of this continues torture of her chemo side effects anymore.

I have too many doubts on her survival on chemo and radiation. I have many better alternative ways
for treatment, yet, she refuses to look at and plans on more if it creates new cancers. I watched too many former onlogist testimonials say you are screwed taking chemo.

I’d like to thank you for shaking the ground I stand on. Your points of view had me rereading your comments many many times, just to be sure I understood exactly where you were coming from. It’s not to often you read a comment from someone who has the courage to just put themselves out there so openly. It’s true when they say,” Just when you think you’ve heard it all.” So thank you again and good luck.

@maturin1919

What kind of treatment, do you mean?

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