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"Depressive Realism" is a theory ( I'd say an hypothesis) that people suffering from depression may actually have a more accurate perception of reality than those with healthy minds.
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Nathalie_Quebec 6 July 5
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Nope not my experience with patients

bobwjr Level 10 July 7, 2019

Are you a psychiatrist ?

@Nathalie_Quebec retired P.A. Worked with psych patients niece is therapist

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Actually we were taught in Psych - that those with Paranoid Personality Disorder were more in touch with reality.

I try not to think about that. πŸ˜‰

And yes - I think most folks who have some amount of diagnosable mental illness wrestle with reality more than those who are not diagnosed and therefore - probably have a clearer perception of reality.
Questioning your own perceptions is a good starting point.

I would suggest if that were true, it would only be apparent to an outside observer.

@bingst Much easier to see as an observer - yes!

I have to wonder if that's really true though. Anyone's perception or understanding or awareness of reality is largely subjective, and different people see the world differently. And no one knows or sees everything. I can certainly believe that depressed/paranoid people might focus a lot more heavily on the negative aspects of life, while largely ignoring or forgetting about the positive aspects of our existence.

I guess the PPDisorder is a joke...since I have my degree in psychology too πŸ˜‰

@Nathalie_Quebec Not at all. Carrying slightly more paranoia than average makes you question things more. Just as depression does.

And we're talking about someone near healthy with that diagnosis.
Not someone sliding towards psychosis.

If you think about someone in treatment they may be experiencing great clarity.

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I would have thought the reverse was true. Maybe if depressed about the state of the world you should listen to Steven Pinker

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I vote no. They may understand why they are depressed but as for their minds being more open to reality, unless you tell me what page in the bible it says so, I still vote no.

lerlo Level 8 July 6, 2019

Well I am part of the "they". I wouldn't say each and every depressed person has the same ability : it depends of so much things !! I think I'm at a point in my life where I can do it. Hope you're kidding about the bible... I've met therapists who felt so uncomfortable discussing with me...because of my realism. They suggested things to do to get out of my isolation, for exemple. All kind of things you need money to do. I said : How am I supposed to do this with 1,169 $ a month ? With a rent of 700 $ Silence. When you're poor you're fucked.

@Nathalie_Quebec Well of course I was kidding about the bible, people that think they have some form of realism over others just because they are depressed may also believe things in the bible. I guess there could be some realism test between a depressed person and someone not depressed to see if such a distinction could be quantified.

@Bigel excuse my French... I don't know what " calling out on the B" means ?

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Everyone has a different idea what reality is, but generally speaking, anyone who really pays attention to the things that happen in this world comes to the realization that it is seriously FUBAR, but that does not necessarily have to translate into depression, it can also translate into defiance of it all . . . .
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Au milieu de l'hiver, j'ai dΓ©couvert en moi un invincible Γ©tΓ©. Albert Camus
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In the middle of the winter, I have discovered in myself an invincible summer.

THHA Level 7 July 5, 2019

Totally agree !! We're talking here about people already suffering from depression though.

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I'd say in one sense it's true. I found a few years ago that with my serious depression, I also got rid of a lot of the illusions about myself and my life. I quit believing that I was "special" somehow, and that "things turned out how they were meant to be". A lot of that crap went by the wayside.

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There are so many subjective realities... and some of those realities and angles, when looked at clearly, can very much be depressing and lead to inaction/actual depression. As a person who is, in some ways, experiencing this phenomenon right now, I'd say it's real.

It doesn't, however, mean everyone else who sees the same stuff would have the same reaction or add it up in the same way.

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What a load of crap! I have been poor, I have had "enough". I prefer the "enough". I have been depressed, I have been happy. I prefer the Happy. Why the Hell would anybody encourage people to embrace sadness???!?

I didn't know someone encourage anybody to embrace sadness ??

@Nathalie_Quebec okay, legitimize it, which is actually Worse.

@AnneWimsey what should we do with sadness then ?

@Nathalie_Quebec Everybody gets sadness...but it is something to cope wit, recover from, Not wallow in

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When we are depressed we see things differently, we give value and care for fewer things than others, the things that really deserve to be appreciated. In that respect is perhaps more accurate. But we also turn extremely pessimistic and see everything darker, and that is wrong perception.

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I agree. They/ we’re honest, thus often Atheists.. We look for truth, not escape. We’re willing to fight, and bear the scars of having done so.

Depressed over the condition of ..the world? Occasionally, but having fought the good fight - we may be disappointed, even depressed, but never guilty. We did the hard stuff, and still do ~

Varn Level 8 July 5, 2019

Wow what you say is so beautiful !! Thank you for your comment.

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depression was what drove me to seek out viable alternatives to my personal operating system. I was fixated on buddhism which helped me see the balance between sides and live my life in the middle with no attachments. to me the down isn't bad because it will be gone soon and good is always around the corner and that helps me with objectivity.

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β€œSickness will surely take the mind, where minds don’t usually go.” β€” Pete Townsend, from β€œTommy.”

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Nope....depression is NOT REALISM....depression is an internal body and brain condition aggravated by a hostile environment OR resentment of happy individuals nearby

Hummm...internal body and brain conditions seem pretty real to me. An hostile environment too. They often go together. I wonder why you feel threatened by " depression" ? We can't make something disappear just by negation of it's existence ! People suffering from depression do not ressent happy people if they have a good heart !! Many supposedly healthy people do though...

@Nathalie_Quebec false projection....I feel no threat....the alleged realism is a non sequitur

@Nathalie_Quebec happy is not empathic

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I suffer depression which is typical in many empathetic people, but it’s a chemical imbalance. I don’t think it has to do so much with seeing things realistically as it does with not being able to see the good in oneself.

I agree with you. I didn't say that being realistic causes depression. The way we react to reality is important. Maybe this quote means something to me but not for others...as I can read the comments. See, every person suffering from depression is unique. Personnaly I don't have any problem seing the good in myself and don't suffer from excessive feelings of shame or guilt. Just enough of it. It would be presumptuous of me to say " depression is this or that" based on my experience.

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