Imagine for a moment that the concept of god never existed, that no one had ever heard of such an idea. The thought of a god had never entered anyone's mind. Inadvertently, everyone would be an atheist, they could not even be agnostic. The question of whether a god did or did not exist would never come up, you wouldn't even know what a god was.
Now imagine that someone came up with the idea of a magical leprechaun overlord that had great power. They offer no proof, also their beliefs contradict the laws of physics, go against established science, and even common sense. To conjecture whether a magical leprechaun did or did not exist would be irrelevant. For without proof there is no reason to believe this magical leprechaun exists in the first place, or to befuddle the mind in useless speculation. Without proof there would be no starting point. You would be trying to prove or disprove a baseless fabricated story.
The confusion comes from being born into a world saturated with strong belief already, statements and questions about a god have already confronted us even as children, believers wrongly take it as an established fact.
To be more precise all people are born Atheists....all sentient species are born without lurking alleged cosmic creators scattering stars nebulae planets asteroids and comets 10 billion light years distant and receding from our nighttime viewpoints.....the gibberish sounds gott gawd gods in any language have no meaning because as you suggest above there is no evidence nor rational definition for little green Irish pots of gold "men" unseen except in drunken stupor of too much Johnny Walker Black Label Blended Scotch Whiskey hallucinations....the dictionary is deliberately WRONG mis-defining Atheism and Atheists as the act or acting in "denial" of assumed extant alleged deities
If rainbows shot out of my ass I might be able to make Shittles. We can say "what if" all we want, but we live in the "what is". Imagine for a moment the concept of a concept didn't exist, but it does.
I think the concept of a God would have always come up. At least one person was curious enough to bring it up. So why is it so unbelievable to think that as the population grew that it wouldn't have been brought up anyway? The questions always would have arisen. Why am I here? How did I get here? What is my purpose here? How was I created? Etc., etc., etc.
The video states that we are the only species that has self awareness. I don’t think that’s true.
I’m not sold on the idea that religion was developed because of fear. I suppose that could be a factor, but if I were an ancient I think I’d be more afraid of Woden, Thor and the like than of thunder and lightning. I think religion developed as a collection of artistic expressions.
All that self-promotion about mankind’s dazzling achievements does not impress me. Sure, we’ve advanced in knowledge and understanding but that knowledge is superficial. At heart we are just as ignorant as ever.
The video makes some bald-faced claims that are actually nothing but opinion.
There’s no harm in coming up with ideas, even if they can’t be proven. Ideas sometimes develop into great inventions or deep understanding. The metaphysics of today might be the physics of tomorrow.
The problem is declaring that your idea is absolute truth, and in trying to coerce people into belief.
Belief is way overrated. Belief is only a value judgment—an emotion. So far as proof, nothing can be proven absolutely because every logical system depends on assumptions and definitions.
So far as the God question, ultimate reality is way above our heads. It is useless to argue over something that you can’t define and don’t understand.
I love sharing this story so I apologize to anyone who has seen it before.
When I moved to Korea with my kids, I didn't do anything for Easter for a couple of years. Finally I decided to do a small Easter egg hunt for the kids. They were young enough that they'd forgotten about Easter from before. As I was preparing, I started telling my oldest daughter about this big bunny that would hide colored eggs. She looked at me like I was crazy and I trailed off, feeling like a complete idiot.
So yeah, I think it would be something like that.
Religion is often the first thing we think of when we think of controlling cults, but religion isn't the only concept that fits the bill. Cults can and have been based on politics, business, science fiction and pseudo-science to mention a few. We humans seem to be able to latch onto almost any concept and take it too far. The point here is that even if we remove the concept of Gods and diety, we seem to have the potential to create the same zealousness for other ideas - factual or fictitious - as we do for religion.
"Imagine for a moment that the concept of god never existed" the problem imo is that this is not really cognizant of how our concept of gods and God formed; beliefs do not develop out of thin air, yeh? And fwiw God hates religion more than you do, the OT is a record of the failure of a theocracy, right? "Believers" are roundly condemned throughout the Bible as opposed to Doers who refused to acknowledge a king--Samaritans and other rebel types, iow--and refused to even walk the same side of the street as Priests and Levites if a fellow human was in need. So wisdom might be hidden from the wise after all?
I see religion as a "Culturally supported delusion," a phrase of my own devising. The concept of religion, in my perspective, came before the concept of using it to control people, as a tool of manipulation and control.
But, as pointed out, clearly visible today, people seek patterns, people are also afraid of the randomness they sense running the world, and invented gods as ways to explain, attempts to find explanations, causes, for how the world works. That gives them the fantasy that they can have some control, agency, over the workings of the world. As in If you pray 23 rosaries on an odd dated Tuesday, when it is sunny before 10:00 A.M., and throw 23 bits of salt over your shoulder, god will listen to your prayers." Right!!
To begin with, God cannot be proven to exist. Nor, can God be proven not to exist.
It is possible to prove that a specific God does not exist. It is not possible to prove that ANY God does not exist. No matter how hard they try, both the theists and the atheists are arguing about something which they both know can't be proven one way or the other.
However, it is possible to speculate upon God.
If God exists, what form would God take?
If God exists, what would God's relationship to the universe be?
If God exists, what would God's relationship to humanity be?
If God doesn't exist then naturally these questions would be all be mute.
If God does or doesn't exist, what difference does that make? If there is no God, then all the questions are " how " questions. How does the Sun shine? How does the grass grow? How do the stars move in the galaxy?
However, if God does exist, then you get to ask " why " questions. Why does the Sun shine. Why does the grass grow? Why do the stars move in the galaxy? It opens up a whole new level of speculation.
We could have a universe with God or without God. If nothing else, the idea of God makes the universe more interesting.
"Imagine for a moment that the concept of god never existed."
I can't imagine it. Ricky Gervais imagined a world where the concept of lying never existed. In the movie, "The Invention of Lying," the invention of lying is shortly followed by the invention of the "Big Man in the Sky."
I agree with Genessa, our nature is to seek patterns, even where none exist, and to invent "agents" that will calm our fears.
never happen. thing is, humankind itself wasn't born into a scientifically knowledgeable world. there was plenty of time for us to have questions with no apparent answers and it is human nature to make shit up rather than let things go unexplained. there always would be fantastic explanations, be they gods, leprechauns or something we can't even imagine. in an unsaturated world we would begun saturating. it's how we are.
>The confusion comes from being born into a world saturated with strong belief already, statements and questions about a god have already confronted us even as children, believers wrongly take it as an established fact.<
The Catholic church did quite a job!