"Do you feel that it's unethical or racist for a white person to compliment a black person on a tan?"
This is my second comment regarding this.. do people know what racism is?
rac·ism
/ˈrāˌsizəm/
noun
prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.
How is commenting on a tan racist?
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Depends on the context, between friends in a light hearted manner why not but if in a disparaging engagement no.
It’s no different to pointing out a physical feature of anyone and accentuating it. It’s always about context.
I have friends of colour who enjoy tanning. They prefer how they look with darker skin and I comment because I think it looks great and they appreciate it.
One might consider these compliments racist, if he or she doesn't know the meaning of the word.
Having said that, everyone is different and has different levels of sensitivity. I don't hangout with those people. It's exhausting.
A similar question of etiquette:
When we were sailing off the coast of CA, one of my white friends got out the sun block and started passing it around. It got to me, and I put some on, and offered it to my Africa American friend. He declined and passed it on.
Did I handle that correctly?
I would say you did just fine. Its not offensive to offer IMO. I get offered frequently at my job where i spend a good deal of time outdoors. I, like your friend typically decline because i hate the way it feels and i don't burn. I do have a wicked farmers tan by the end of the summer so i doubt ill be getting any compliments lol
Yes. In most cases hand it only to lighter toned folk.
Yes. Tyra Banks and Naomi Campbell are both supermodels, with skin tone that differs with from one another. They both advocate the use of sunscreen to avoid skin damage.
Once we begin worrying so much about offending, we forget people are also human. Once could assume it's inappropriate to pass the sunscreen over your friend, assuming he/she won't need it.
There is no one tone of black skin, just as there is no single skin tone for any ethnicity and thus yes a black person can get a tan and might well enjoy being complimented if the intent is complimentary rather than mockery.
My school friend Courtney came from St. Vincent and was very dark skinned but his older sister who was his guardian had a different father who was white and thus had far less melanin but was still obviously west Indian, during the summer she would sun bathe and her skin would darken just like anyone else, and never took it as an insult to be complimented on her noticeable suntan (she was a very attractive woman and was admired by most of Courtney's friends so got plenty of compliments anyway, well it was the seventies).
I'm with some of the others here. Depends on how well you know them. Most all of my friends are just as crazy as I am and nothing we say to each other is meant to be offensive and we all seem to know boundaries. I would never say that to someone that I didn't consider a friend.
Is it racist? No, it is an expression of a mental disability, or as they say in Boston... Wicked Retarded.
Of course racism is in itself an unwillingness or inability to think and comprehend.
But I guess it would be up there with complimenting a white person on their paleness.
My mixed granddaughter talks about being tanned in the summer. Her brother also refers to his tan lines
Perhaps it is different because we live in Florida where a person will get darker no matter their original skin tone nearly every black person I know has tan lines and calls them tan lines
I think the intent is not the issue. Perhaps a way to pose the question in a manner that is not so off putting. I really never, ever heard a black person use the term tan unless mentioning or discussing with non blacks. I am not the gatekeeper of "blackness". So, my experience, tan is not in my vocabulary at all. For example, the term "Ashy" will probably prompt a Google search if you are not black. I darkened significantly during my military training as did everyone else, but I would have never applied the term "tanning" to myself (and it was temporary, lasted a some months?????)
It is just finding a common term I would submit. I kid about working on my tan, after a run when I relax in the sun, but "tanning" is not an objective. I hope that helps a bit. To your question, it is not unethical or racist, it is just that the language is awkward and if the person is a stranger it can be a bit strange. I have been in 5 foreign countries, so I understand the curiosity. Just differences, not bad or good.
Thanks for your reply...I also questioned the use of the word "tanning", but I have friends of varying shades of color from some almost as pale as me...we all say we work on our "tans", but meaning we are just out at the beach! It is often understanding the proper terms of a culture...you have a better understanding than most due to your travel..I agree,,,just differences...and no good or bad attached...also, interesting!
Very astute bro! I've been in some situations where mentioning it to another black person would get me in hot water.
I am a white person and I don't think I'm at all racist. I might comment on a black person's depth of black color simply as an observation but not to the person as I'm sure they are already aware. I might also comment on a white person's white (albino?) but also not to the person. Shouldn't we get to a point where we no longer need to consider race in conversation in order to put racism behind us? At this point in time I would not comment on a tan to a black person due to the a potential misconception. I don't believe we're there yet. Interesting question though. I'm interested in your opinion though.
You are wise...sometimes strangers can take even a compliment the wrong way...sadly, we are not there yet where people can trust that someone is just being nice or trying to relate...the other day, a black cashier said that she knew I was Asian because of my eyes...she quickly stated that she meant that in a nice way...too bad that she felt she had to do that...we can't just be nice any more...
@thinktwice Yes, I have a lot of experience in pissing people off with my humor. I hold my tongue much more now in order to stay safe. Sometimes it's helpful to know the ethnicity of someone to get a more personal view of current events from that area.
@rogueflyer Humor and relating stories is a way to start a conversation. I often tell my black friends that I just don't know what the line is anymore and they have to tell me honestly. We often laugh at how goofy things have gotten...it helps that my family is all mixed in race from Native American to black...when you are a mutt, we all speak "dog"...
@thinktwice Woof!
I have made the effort to break the silence. It's a common topic of conversation among whites and other fair skinned races. I ask them, "What do they think of my tan?" That usually helps to relieve some guilt and pressure because they might've noticed but didn't know how to approach it. I then inform them that the sun doesn't care what race you are.
I compliment all of my friends appropriately...everyone wants to look good...my black friends ask me all the time how I stay so pale even when I go to the beach...I use SPF 70...are they white shaming me? Nope...they know I don't want wrinkles...
Keep using the SPF religiously. I lived in Hawaii for 30 years ( some of those before sunscreen was invented) and now I go to the Dermatologist every six months. I no longer have any interest in tanning.
I think everyone should wear sunscreen, anyone can get skin cancer.
@gigihein agree...my girlfriends of all colors wear sunscreen of various SPFs...we don't want cancer and we don't want premature aging...
@OwlInASack It is not a joke...one of my uncles died from a tiny freckle on his face that turned out to be skin cancer...