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I asked my sister how her Philosophy class in college is going when she visited today. She said they all have to write a paper on either why you think God is real or why you don't. She said that her teacher does believe in god and that I would not like this assignment. She's right. I would not like this assignment because it's too vague. What god are you talking about? The Christian god, the Bhuddist gods, Islam, Hindu, Deism, etc.

I asked her what she believes and she told me "by god I mean all seeing all knowing, perfect being with no cracks or fissures in it.. able to be everywhere and nowhere at the same time in all dimensions."

I refuse to debate with her for many reasons but that just sounds so vague as well. If this all knowing being is so perfect, how come the world is so messed up? If this so called being does exist (which obvi I don't believe there is), I am not impressed and would not worship it. And why did this being create everything to begin with? Take out religion from it because she's not religious. Why would it create the dinosaurs, kill them with astroids, then randomly decide to make humans now? There's also the ice age era and many more bizarre eras. This being kind of sounds like it's super bored and kind of a jerk lol. 😅🤣🙄

vjohnson51 7 Sep 26
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That doesn't sound like philosophy to me. That sounds to me like something very close to religion.

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I wonder what grade would be had if the paper just said, "Belief is a Motherfucker!"

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Hmmm ... "Who knows where I'm going with this?"

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Belief in God simply shows how early we are in our evolution. In many ways we're very advanced. But we're actually still in evolutionary adolescence, as evidenced by our ignorance, belief in fairy tales, and our ability to be manipulated en masse.

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P. S. How can a believer teach a philosophy class ? Either you adopt philosophy or theology, nothing in between. Yes I know that historically the christian church especially, tried to make a compromise with certain schools of philosophy, to broaden its reach, but the end result of that, was only to discredit those schools and create science as an alternative philosophy untainted by that unhappy marriage.

St. Paul tried to go to Athens to preach the Christian gospel to the philosophers. They were very interested & tore his teachings to shreds. He sought easier pickings among the rubes of Aleppo

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In college philosophy we studied Blaise Pascal (1623-1662) and “Pascal’s Wager”, who opined that it is rational to believe in God because if you are right and God exists you go to heaven, but if you are wrong and God doesn’t exist then you have lost nothing. My response was what if God is maniacally evil and if you pray to him he sends you to hell. My open-minded teacher gave me an A. Not sure that would work with all teachers though.

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Do you believe in GOD? My reply would be, as a verb or as a noun? As a noun GOD becomes a Deity, or the "Golden Calf", if you will. As a verb you are now the sole representative of your GOD, so act accordingly. Thats just my thoughts on the matter. Feel free to expound on this. May your day be filled with JOY and your Heart with LOVE.

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Why this assignment it the teacher is a god believer? Maybe she wants to debate the different beliefs in the classroom using the papers as a discussion point. If so, the teacher is in the wrong profession.

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It would be fun to ask the students if they believe or not and in which religion.
Then ask for a paper contradicting the initial believe, just for the sake of the argument.
During high school I did it sometimes with friends for fun.
In the end we end up elaborating very hidden fallacies and building over it layers and layers of argument until the original false premises were imperceptive XD.

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Very short paper. "No good evidence." End paper.

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LOL, they actually picked that for an assignment? Brain-drain!

It's hilarious how some people think that the existence of God is still a debate. "God" as a word, in the Kabbalistic sense is real, because it's a word, and it might refer to something real, but very intricate and complex. Kabbalah explains the word pretty well.

But a God that isn't physical? A mystical God(s)? Just, no lol. That is innately ridiculous and very misleading. It's a political tool, it's rooted in senselessness, and it's a rope-a-dope, which flies in the face of sound reasoning.

It depends upon the context of the course which we are not informed of. I am sure the markers of the essay will be looking for comprehension of the course material and personal study. ‘God’ is irrelevant. Display of reading and research is important for a pass here.

@Geoffrey51

Yeah. People kinda forget that scripture has multiple canon interpretations, so this whole "god" thing is really just a social sports-play. This realization wasn't the reason why I became an Agnostic at the age of 15, but it cemented it when I realized it much later on.

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Wonder what she would do with a paper explaining how I don't know and I don't care.

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I think you should have asked her those questions.

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And all philosophy professors are jerks. That’s why they are so great!

Philosophy professors want to read papers and inputs from people who can build arguments, be formulative, be deep and do stuff that a professional philosopher does. They don't make that clear, and therein lies their meanness, in my opinion.

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This is a great assignment and a classic philosophy 101 assignment.
This has nothing to do with wether or not god exists. This assignment just measures her ability to prove it.
Think of it another way... have her prove if Santa Claus exists.
Ultimately it does matter what name you choose
It just matters your ability to prove
Use logic and validate the response and you will pass

The teacher should make clear which god she's talking about. Which name you choose does make some difference, or at least I would think it would. But I agree, it is a good exercise.

@MST3K the professor won’t care which one chosen. If they do, then they should resign from their position as a philosophy educator.

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I assume you are trying to say vague. Perhaps if you confront your sister with the Epicurean Paradox she will come with her own conclusion. The perfect, almighty, omnipotent and flawless being can't even get rid of evil, much less pain, how about eliminating baby deaths or pedophilia, hunger? The Epicurean Paradox is this one here:

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Maybe this will help . . .

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It depends at what level she is studying philosophy. If she is at University it will be up to her how she interpretes the question. So long as she stays in context and can provide solid academic references to support her arguments there shouldn’t be a problem.

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VAGUE

@vjohnson51 I am calm. You misspelled it twice.

@vjohnson51 Thank you.🙂

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I always enjoyed those exercises in college.
My instructors, not so much.
LOL

The philosophy professor I studied under was great. He energetically encouraged us to think for ourselves. I once asked him who his favorite philosopher was, and he smiled and said "oh, I like them all!" I smiled, realizing that he didn't want to like any philosopher simply because he did. He was not a Christian, and he also was very board-minded and tolerant of ideas that didn't agree with his own. He was also a nice guy and a pretty cool person.

@MST3K I got my belly full of philosophy in my Ethics course.
While it's extremely edifying to be exposed to other people's perspectives, I don't think any philosopher's opinions are any more or less valid than my own.
There are a number of them that I think are totally full of shit, too.
So, there's that.

@KKGator It's a darned shame you didn't the Professor that vI had when studying Philosophy.
She gave everyone the task of writing in at least 3,000 words an essay explaining, philosophically, why they either believed there was a god or why not.
19 students handed in their essays out of a class of 25, 6 begged for a time extension and immediately scored an 'F-.'
I nearly shit my pants when she read out to the entire class my 4,891 word essay on, philosophically, WHY I do NOT believe a god has ever existed and then requested that debate my 'No God Philosophies' with the whole class.
Within the first 10 or so minutes she had excluded 13 of the class from the debate for "parroting the question/s, etc, of the previous person," then another 3 went of the debate for "putting forth quotations, etc, from the bible and finally the remainder simply stated " How can anyone hope to debate with someone who can list and explain things so purely and succinctly?"

@Triphid That would have been fun.

@KKGator It was, trust me, it was.

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