From an atheist perspective (and I am an atheist), is there a difference between religion and a cult? I am curious what everyone thinks about this. I would think that cults are more severe in damage they cause but then I think is that really true? Doesn’t brainwashing also happen in religion? What makes one worse than the other if at all. The purpose of this post is to be inspired by your comments (whether I agree or disagree) to get a better understanding of my feelings and thoughts about this.
They are one and the same. They both require blind obedience and to never question!
Brainwashing usually happens but not always. Paganism, Buddhism, pantheism, UU, and some others don't program a narrow version of reality into people's minds or instruct that people can only believe certain things or deserve punishment for example. I don't differentiate most religious sects from cults as both have a history of being just as crazy and harmful at various times. However, most participants are fine people who were indoctrinated from youth. Also many sects teach tolerance.
A cult is a collective, reactionary response to a society. It is not directly related to religions
A sect is a reaction in opposition to the tenets of a religion or fundamental idea
In my opinion they’re all death cults. Only religions through their various ways of indoctrination teach children from the age of understanding to focus on what happens when they die.
not true. some christian sects are very cultish but i know presbyterians and methodists who do not praise the lord every other sentence, do not proselytize, do not let their religion run their daily lives as if there is someone directing them at all times, and never even mention their religions, but have some belief, vague or otherwise, that there is some kind of deity. those people are not members of a cult. before i realized there were no gods, i did believe there was some kind of personal god, and yet that was not a factor in how i lived my life, nor a factor in my family's behavior either. my folks never talked about god. we knew we were jewish but we were secular. i never even knew if my folks believed in a god until well after i left home, someone asked me if they did, and i had to call long-distance to ask them, because i didn't know the answer! i was not a member of a cult, nor were my folks. my niece married a christian missionary and she teaches sunday school. her facebook page says she enjoys teaching little kids about jesus. that's a little culty to me, but it still doesn't fit the definition, regarding a charismatic leader, isolation and all that. it's certainly more culty than what i previously described either in speaking of my family or speaking of my friends.
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Size.
If a film is a massive blockbuster then it is no longer a cult film. Similarly, if a small religion takes young people and secludes them away, denying them access to their families until they are totally emersed, devoted and focused on only the ideology. Then it is called a cult. When the catholic church does it, it is called an established religion.
I remember my dad (an atheist too) showing me round the places he grew up. He pointed out the corner where once a month young girls would wait for the bus to take them off to a convent. Describing the heartfelt tears from their families that often would never see them again. If that ain't a cult I don't know what is?
According to Wikipedia a cult is: "In modern English, the term cult has usually been used in reference to a social group that is defined by its unusual religious, spiritual, or philosophical beliefs, or by its common interest in a particular personality, object or goal. This sense of the term is controversial and it has divergent definitions both in popular culture and academia and it has also been an ongoing source of contention among scholars across several fields of study.[1][2] It is usually considered pejorative. ."
The parts I am interested is 'philosophical' beliefs and 'goals'. It seem you could even define forms of government as a cult. I would suggest, in it's broadest form, we all could be said as being cultists.
As for religious cults go what is defining? Many cults are just take offs from some larger group. Many sects may start out as a cult (like during the great schism) but then gain higher status as it becomes larger and more popular. Again, for me, I would think a defining item of a cult is it's proclivity for violence. Maybe we are going backward right now in that some sects/cults which became mainstream are now heading for more discrimination and violence and more like cults.
Wow, thanks so much for sharing your thoughts. The only difference really is the size, absolutely. Although some religions seem generally less extreme for sure.
I would never be able to comfortably admit outside of here that there is no difference between the two without getting attacked. Nice to have this space. Scary to think how we are outnumbered and watching it pop up in daily life even. Cop culture, corporate culture comes to mind of the top of my head. Where else do you see it?
United states of America is the secret RELIGION of the Masonic lodge secret religion racist devil worshippers which is the CULT that won freedom from England July 4th, 1776 to rape this land from the original indigenous inhabitants calling it America to establish their secret religion capitalism wage slave labor government and beginning the establishment of the mark of the beast 666 began by requiring birth certificate, social security card and photo identification for taxation and government control.
Revelations 13:16 It also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads,
We could look forward to future generations being forced to worship the devil (leadership) and the beast (laws of government) and "In God We Trust". Everyone in Agreement says, "God bless America ".
@OwlInASack does everyone on Earth have a brick home built by true masons free from mortgage, free from rent, free from taxation, free from governmental terrorism and free from religious oppression ? I can appreciate the concern, but Then how could you think all's even close to being good for all?
@OwlInASack Well detected there my friend.
It seems that Antifred managed to change his on-line name BUT couldn't quite manage get past his 'Masonic Cult' and interminable biblical quoting tirades.
Sorry, Antifred, but you get an "F" for effort and an "F-" for the end result.
@Triphid for someone that has such opposition attitude towards such as Christianity, you seems so closed minded at my discussions of how to properly and logically dispute christianity that you make yourself a great poster child for typical illogical atheism with your ad hominem attacks towards me.
@Triphid Maybe I could make my statement this way for your illogical understanding. I use and quote biblical text for proper and logical way to dispute and expose christianity for what it is so that one could be educated not to be Christian and or bring christianity to an end by way of proper and logical understanding BUT you choose to attack me.
I do not get it, other than, to see your thoughts of this action of attack towards me to be illogical.
@Triphid I ask this question as a premise for ending Christianity and Masonic lodge secret religion racist devil worship: If Christians knew that Jesus was Angelic Angelic elohiem lord of hosts Lucifer the devil, do you really think they would want to continue being Christians?
If you knew biblical text and Jewish writtings as much as you say you are college educated to be then you would, or should know how the original language and understanding would actually point to Jesus as being Lucifer the devil, not a "God" as defined by most paganism.
@OwlInASack I know you were more so addressing your question to me personally, however, as my mind is often on matters of this worldly situation that isn't all that well at all.
@OwlInASack
the book I wrote has only one sentence. "There is good and there is evil." It is highly conceptual or would require a high level of understanding to really understand what all that says. Totality of goodness is but just an idealistic thing from most any point of view. Maybe I should watch the movie, "Eternal sunshine of the spotless mind " again. To be oblivious to the contrasts of good and evil would be considered a lesser intellectual thing. But the thing is, how to remove others blinders so that they are not oblivious?
There was once a story about a man and woman in a garden ...
I think that organized religion is simply a more widely accepted cult. Of course not all religion and cults are equal, but at their core, they are the same thing.
Religions and cults claim to have the answer that you need. The only difference that really matters in this discussion is that more people believe in the answers provided by a religion versus that of a cult.
Christianity, the most widely accepted religion, could have been considered a cult at the time of its beginnings since the Roman pantheon of gods and goddesses was the dominant religion. If you view Jesus as a real historical flesh and blood person, then his crucifixion could be looked at through the same lens we use for cult leaders. Just like Jim Jones after him, the powers that be (in those days the Romans and Jews that owed their power to Romans) saw Jesus as a cult leader with his radical views. Therefore he had to go because he was seen as a threat.
However, unlike Jim Jones, Jesus had a good public relations team after his death and his message was more universal in nature. Thus his cult was eventually widely accepted enough to be a religion.
Same concept, different name, different connotation.
The only difference i consider is that a cult is more extremist and controlling. leaving a religion may have social and/or mental consequences, but leaving a cult can have financial and even physical consequences. it’s a blurry line though, and both are awful.