true true.

I'm in the midst of an ongoing dialogue with a believer who seems to have a lot of questions about non-believers and how did they get there.. as you may imagine in the Bible Belt for people with questions it can be difficult to find non-believers to talk to. I know the story well, I lived it. anyway something that came up in our conversation was the commonly held belief the God is separate from sin. the idea that god carries knowledge of sin in details debunks that belief for me. so I posted this notion to see what kind of comment I might get. I should have known that the arrogance and condescension I would find here wouldn't really contain any insights, but I tried. that is what I'm babbling about.

"Sin" is a religious construct (only) that is intended to keep people subjugated through fear and the offering of a "path to salvation" usually through asking for money & self-castigation. It is an UGLY concept from start to finish and I am not buying your "explanation" of trying to use it for leverage...which is exactly what religion does....using nasty ideas helps No One!

@AnneWimsey I know what sin is. I'm simply trying to show it's connection to God. to be quite honest I don't understand your antagonism toward me or this idea. I don't understand what you mean by Leveraging sin unless you're talking about the likes of Pat Robertson and those assholes. don't paint me as doing something I'm not.

@hankster "connection to gawd"...again WTH are you babbling about? No gawd(s) no sin, get off the "-guilt train"! And stop trying to put others on it!

all that stuff, all of it, is entirely on you @AnneWimsey. . don't project your difficulties on to me. I've dealt with it and gone. at least I understand your animosities now. I truly wish you some peace.

@hankster aaaaawwwwwwww, I feel so much better now that a delusional guilt-inducer tells me to.

@AnneWimsey I don't have the power to induce guilt. that kind of stuff has to come from within a person.

@hankster not without gawd 's "help"...that's sarcasm, hasten to mention.

OMG, back with the "racist" hatred of Mason-ism are we? "Jail"? What jail? Where, exactly? Oh, and BTW, Surely, my sweet Mother conceived me in love, you nasty fathead!

P.s. it was pretty cool when Alfo pretty much said this to God in Disenchantment’s second series to get chucked out of heaven

don't know it

@hankster In his framework, the incarnations are offices, so the officeholder changes from time to time. For Evil, an Inquisition monk takes over as Satan, not himself evil, but highly knowlegeable about it.

part of the "all" that "all knowing" would encompass.

@hankster but objectively what is it’s definition.

The same could be said for happiness, indecision, unruliness and all manner of ideas.

We need to determine what ‘sin’ is objectively as it has many subjective contexts due to religious discourse over the centuries.

@Geoffrey51 no, its not necessary. all that needs to be recognized is that an all-knowing set of knowledge would have to include it.

@hankster okay fair enough but that means there is no point mentioning anything as all concepts would be inclusive within the concept.

Sin is an irrelevant issue to be addressed.

"Sin" is not doing right in god's sight and we see that there are so many sins. This means that god is so very finicky on everything, and so much so that said god could not be trusted. Once upon a time you could please him with burned meat and now if you do not do right he is going to send you to hell. WTF?

@DenoPenno Who is this god of which you speak?

@Geoffrey51 of course I would agree that sin doesn't particularly stand out as some special feature of all knowing. in part the original post was in response to the notion that god could not be separated from sin. thus its inclusion in the post. however you are correct. all knowing means all stuff not just sin.

@Geoffrey51 this is not the natural phenomenon god. this describes a god of man's creation.

@hankster I’ll go with you there!

@Geoffrey51 The biblical god of course. His love of burned meat and the smell of burned meat must have come into play when he decided to tell people they could go to heaven or hell. If you go to hell he still has his burned meat. He has to resurrect them for this.

@DenoPenno if I recall this one was partial to a Sunday roast! Did Paul put an end to all that? I seem to recall something about him getting a bit sniffy about sacrificial meats in Galatians possibly?

gets tricky...lol.

I think it meant she had no answer. There are actually people today who sit around and think these things up, then try to get it into a bill that you cannot have sex with animals. It all starts with just where you let that grasshopper crawl secretly when you are a child, then it goes on into animals later. Maybe animals and peanut butter.