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Happy Holidays - not Trash-the-Planet month! [monbiot.com]

Allamanda 8 Nov 27
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I’ve taken to asking for donations to charity, I much prefer it.

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I think Thanksgiving started out with good intentions. George Washington was one of the first to try to set aside a day thanks. Abraham Lincoln's proclamation made it official in the middle of the Civil War. FDR tweaked it, again during a major war.
Growing up on the 50"s and 60"s it was over these celebrations including family reunion picnics that I listened to the adults and got quite an education even before my formal education.
At some point capitalist got even more greedy and Thanksgiving is something I don't recognize.
I have had a great life. No tragedies just the normal life events of birth, death, divorce, and other minor ups and downs. I understand many have not been as fortunate.
I have many things to be thankful for. Not to a god , but family and friends who helped guide me into adulthood and the life I enjoyed. I tried to pay it back.
I am alone today, but I am not sad. I still like these holidays.

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We should clean up our own trash. Merry Thanksgiving to you. 🙂

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LOL, he sounds like me, or I him . . .Wrote this years ago now

Thankless Takingday

I must confess I have had issues with this holiday since childhood. Thanksgiving, a national day of thanks. Its mere existence shows how unthankful most Americans are, that a national day of thanks is needed to remind us to be thankful. It is an indictment of America.
Thanksgiving is based upon the historical remembrance of the Native Americans saving the Pilgrims from starvation. Only to be declared non-human by those very immigrants. Immigrants who would use the Christian doctrine of discovery to lay a false claim that all the world belonged to them, because they represented Jesus, and all non-believers had no rights. Upon this Christian doctrine the entire American continent was conquered by Christians, Genocide was committed upon natives and whatever culture and language was left was systematically demolished, leaving little behind but blood and broken families.

It is strongly implied that we owe thanks to God, but leaves that question of God hanging. Which God, your concept or mine, or the guy down the street? It also ignores the fact that if we are grateful to a God that allowed us all we have, it also means he disallowed children to have enough food to eat, to starve as we feast. Not exactly the portrait of a loving God.

Thanksgiving is also interpreted as a day to have a general "Attitude of gratitude" for whatever you have, no God needed, just for us each to be grateful for what we have. A fine attitude indeed and one I personally cultivate, however once a year is no enough for such an attitude, it needs to be daily for it to have a positive impact on your life. In this fashion the holiday fails again becoming a caricature of an actual attitude of gratitude, mere lip service to the idea.

If all these concerns were not enough in the 1970’s the holiday was EXPANDED, followed instantly by “Black Friday”, or as I call it, “The festival of Greed”. Nowadays people rush from their dinners to go shopping at midnight, some stores even staying open on Thanksgiving itself for “Early Bird sales” combining the “Festival of Greed” with a Day of thanks; a “Thankless Takingday”, often noticed for the amount of violence and trampling’s which occur as shoppers violate each other to secure favored items. I have never gone shopping on this day, and I avoid even going out on it. I have desire to see my fellow humans demean themselves over a new TV, and less to see them hurt others to save a few bucks.
This all shows how America now values goods over people, not very thankful at all.

Is there ANY point left to these days other than Greed and Consumerism?

D.N.B.

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Well said George.
We don't celebrate "Thanksgiving" here fortunately but the madness of "black Friday" is catching on fast.
There is some unconscious humour attached though. An American friend put a photo on facebook showing her husband and sons making meatballs for thanksgiving dinner and I thought it was turkey everyone ate or are the meatballs just an aside ?
One of her facebook friends commented " why are the boys balls smaller than Anthony's (their father)"
made my day
I referred her to a natural history documentary following a troop of chimpanzees where the testicles of the dominant male were much larger than the other males. Hope that cleared it up for her.

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Good point,.I care more for the homeless-than extravagance
at this time of year.
Thank you.💖

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Hey, does that mean there WILL be extra Trash Collections operating so we can discard the unwanted Faithfools.....LOL.

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Hope you have a great holiday as well and everyone here. I know some don't view Thanksgiving in a positive light and I completely understand and respect that viewpoint too.

Just a query here, but to whom do americans actually 'give thanks to' on this Thanksgiving Day of theirs?
Is it this God of the Christian Faithfools or is it the Indigenous Natives who actually 'saved the bacon' of the early settlers at Plymouth Rock?

@Triphid Nothing wrong an attitude of thankfulness. But definitely need to think about our history and our indigenous people at this time. Still at this moment the government is not doing all it can to treat the people fairly and a President uses an indigenous person's name as an attempt to slur another. It is indicative of the lack of regard for everything this country should stand for. Number one mutual RESPECT of people's culture and history.

@Flowerwall Yes, but it still hasn't answered my question though, has it.

@Flowerwall Yes RESPECT is a good word this day.

@Triphid I am not sure what you expect to hear from me outside of what I already said. I don't use the term Faithfools and I also don't think the question can be easily answered even if you substitute a different word for Faithfools.

@Flowerwall ALL I was actually asking was "To whom do Americans give thanks to on Thanksgiving Day......etc, etc."
Since, historically, it WAS the Native Americans who saved their 'bacon' (read arses) from death and starvation and NOT their Almighty, Loving and Caring God.
IF they give thanks to this totally Imaginary God and NOT to those who truly were the ones who saved their Anglo-European predecessors then is that not being disrespectful?

@Triphid Well right. We don't go up to people who are of Native American descent and say "Thank you!". I guess some do attend church on the day. The general attitude is one of gratitude on Thanksgiving. Hopefully the schools teach the historical aspect so the generations continue to be aware of exactly how our country came to be without a misrepresentation of it. War, genocide and slavery are things to never forget. On the other hand what our country is meant to represent, at it's best, is not something that can be diminished. We also need to be aware of the current climate we are living in, which is one where people are becoming less tolerant and civil to one another.

@Triphid Also I think now maybe my original response came across as directing negativity at you? I don't know. It wasn't intended that way. Whenever I think about that situation that occurred with the President I get REALLY IRRITATED. Like I said indicative of the President's attitude, very bothersome.

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