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I would like to know how many of you would vote against someone soley due to their open religious agenda even if they might have good ideas in other areas. What are your thoughts on this?

DavidLaDeau 8 Feb 4
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It would for me depend on just how egregious was their religious agenda. The tax exemption for churches I can and do tolerate, but compulsory religious education is an absolute no-no.

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I would be suspicious of anyone with a religious agenda. What policies could you trust? Knowing that religious agenda could override anything else he/she intended.

Exactly!!!
Couldn't trust anything they say.

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If they are so stupid/oblivious that they do not understand or ignore "separation of church & state" that would be a Major reason to vote against them!

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I personally don't vote cause I deem myself only capable of ruling myself.

SMH That's like saying you personally don't choose due to allowing someone else to do it for you. Don't get me wrong all elections are not worth the effort but some are.

If you do not vote, you ARE voting for drump! Cannot you clearly see that?!?

@AnTwanSr
Maybe to you they're worth the effort, but not to me. I don't like the State's practices and don't encourage its existence, so I don't engage in matters that makes it seem like I approve of such an institution.

@AnneWimsey
Trump is not my problem. The State is my problem.

@JFishburnVelazq I read you, BUT, we're born in the sh** to deal with. Are you familiar with ados101.com?

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If the politician truly believes god is telling them what to do, then failure is "god's will ", not incompetence and their conscience is clear. I personally have run into this "logic" in TX and GA and am busily trying to maintain my sanity. I believe no one should be allowed a political office if religiously possessed!

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As the incontinent man said, "It depends." 😂

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I have nothing against religious people but if their religious agenda is likely to be harmful in policy and lawmaking outcomes, this would make me look at other candidates.

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I'm more likely to vote against the worst party & leader, in light of their policies and dependence on religious dogma & texts for guidance on right&wrong. If the only other alternative candidate is also a religious person, but with better policies and some ethics & integrity, they'll get my vote. I have voted for a religious nutter, to ensure another evil and mentally deranged religious nutter didnt get elected. Sadly, I wasn't with the majority. Sighhh.

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I vote for who I feel would best represent and help my county, state or country. Who speaks to the issues I feel are most needed. I do this without thought to how it may affect me personally. (IE, Raise my taxes, just spend it wisely!)

There are few that think about the whole first.

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It is the totality of the ideas, not whether they are religious ideas or not. I try to vote for the person that has ideas and ideals as close to mine as is possible. I typically do not vote against anyone, I vote for the candidate that I feel will best represent me.

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Went thru this with the spouse. Could we vote for a Mormon? If the Mormon pledged to..... A Catholic? JFK? A Judaic? Bernie? A Muslim? Obama.....ooops. Sorry. A Baptist? I think LBJ was as close to atheist as Comrade Hump. I will hold my nose, again, & vote for ANY Democrat. Don't blame me.I voted for McGovern.

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All the presidents we have and have had have been believers, but if the religious people vote for a candidate just because of a religious obsession (anti-abortion) instead of voting for a sensitive leader, then I vote against him...

Actually many of our early presidents claaimed to be deist. That was acceptable at the time, many of them may well have and were probably atheist/ agnostic but could not admit it.

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I would look at that persons prior life and what they had done. If they solely do things that are only right wing religiously bases then no, I would not vote for them, however if they were that kind of Christian who did what the bible says, to love thy neighbor and do good then hell yes I would vote for them. All depends on their conduct.

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Along time ago we had two major parties, but back around the time of Reagan, they began a transmogrification into the (mostly Southern) cult that now calls itself the G.O.P. This slow transformation is an amalgamation of many factions, all radical right wing Reactionaries, one of which is the (mostly Southern) "Religious Right". Listen to the Senate Republicans speak. Virtually all of them sound like "He Haw" and would take us back 160 years to the anti-bellum C.S.A.! Ironically, the culmination of this conspiracy is what we have today and it has been hughly successful with the help of this Northern-based meglomaniac, and his Autocratic friends like Russia, Saudi Arabia, Israel, etc. I am planning on opening a new "Group" called "Boycott Facebook" or something like that, because I believe they are part of an even larger agenda of repression of free speech and privacy. Keep your eyes open and contribute.

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Depends on the level of delusion they were displaying.
For example I would not place my life in the hands of a doctor who prescribed prayer and Lourdes water as a cure for cancer in the certain hope of a miracle, than I would contribute to the election of a man or woman who blames the current state of the economy on the amount of sin going on in peoples own bedrooms and so saw the criminalization of oral sex as a sound monetary policy.

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Absolutely..

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Politicians are not scientists or problem solvers. Politicians don't have good ideas. Politicians are a major source of problems for humans, but people keep believing they can solve problems even though they never do.

SCal Level 7 Feb 5, 2020

@OwlInASack War is a failure, not a success. Provisions come from people, not from politicians. When has there ever been a stable economy, ever? People build roads, not politicians and quite a bit of science goes into roads, so its obvious to me that engineers and laborers deserve that credit.

Government and politicians are the cause of wars, not the people who fix them. Government is a collection of power and that leads to corruption in the hands of the few.

Weird you see govt as a solution to the very things it causes.

@OwlInASack "Without govrnment we wouldn't have x, y or z" is a factual claim minus evidence.

The fact is that we do have those things and people created all of them. Your claim seems to posit that if there were no politicians or governments, there would be no people to create things.

Seems like a ridiculous claim to me.

@BryanLV Politicians are people and some of them have done positive things for us. Food stamps to help feed hungry people, Medicaid/care to help some who would not otherwise be able to afford to go to the doctor, food lunch programs for hungry children, etc. There's a lot of bad policies as well especially with this administration, and probably more than the good ones, but to say politicians haven't done anything for us is not accurate.

@RhondaShotwell I stand by my statement. People can't eat food stamps, so I don't see how those help, but I have watched homeless people be criminalized and also seen officers dump bleach on food for the needy. Also, if it weren't for government the cost of medical goods and services would not be so ridiculously high that it can't be afforded in the first place.

Thanking the guy who broke your legs because he gave you crutches.

@BryanLV You're right that people can't eat food stamps, but they can eat the food it buys for them.

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No I would have to look at the whole package, and what if the other candidate had an even more extreme religious agenda. You can't just make simple assumptions. One of the great weaknesses of so called representational democracy, if such a thing could exist, is that the voter can only vote for what is offered. And so you often get the choice of. "Do you want to be beaten with a stick, or hit with a stone."

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Key word is "agenda", I'd like to think I care about their policies more than their personal beliefs. Personality matters in as much as it affects their ability to deliver on their policies. However it sounds like an "agenda" would affect policies

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Depends on how they voice their religion. If they believe their way is the one true way and everyone should abide by it then no vote from me. If they are simply religious themselves then maybe I would vote for them depends on how strongly I feel they will back their other ideas.
If there other ideas are ecologically and socioeconomically viable and helpful then yes I would vote for them.

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would this be like they are a devout catholic and does not believe in abortion ...who will thus will make abortion illegal forcing poor girls of rape having to give birth to and raise and love a child who looks like someone who caused her physical and mental pain?..in that case... probably not vote for them. This is where there should be separation of church and government but that does not happen.

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By "openly religious agenda," I assume you mean one that seeks to increase the level of religious sway in the gov't, and I would not vote for such a person. GW Bush held the opinion, he said, that his god "meant" him to be president. It's a shame that the TV reporter did not press the issue, maybe more voters would have realized how unfit for office he was.
Pence, Cruz, and how many others are out to push their theocratic BS, on us, and they need to be removed from elected office.

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I rather think it is the individual who must make the choice ,I think I am good at tuning in or out, I have had lots of practice.I once got on a train that was packed and this man with a little bible was in there and we were all packed in tight as sardines and could barely breathe and it was the wrong train I had run for.To answer the question, I would run a mile rather than being treated to a monologue on whether they were saved or not.

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I think we have Plenty of religious influence (in fact waaay too much!) going on right now & do not trust their agenda, they seem to be bent on making me have less freedom, so, no way.

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It depends (@Athiest3). If they weren’t extremist, maybe I would. It would depend on if their ideals were in line with mine. I know some Christians, well one in particular, who ACTUALLY follows the teachings of Jesus. She is a Christian, but hasn’t been to church in a long time. I don’t think they are in line with her ideals. She is a Democrat, but to me she’s a Democratic Socialist. She is very smart and compassionate. One of the kindest people I know. She doesn’t voice her Christian beliefs unless you ask her opinion. I wish she would run for President or any local/state office.

Carey Level 5 Feb 27, 2020
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