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Supermarkets here are getting stripped by panic buying. The retailers have said they have plenty of supplies but are struggling to keep up.
I went across the road to the convenience shop for my smokes. It is run by two Kurds, Allan, and Mario. They are Muslim but not strictly observant. I talked to Mario about the madness going on in the big shops. Casually asking if they had toilet rolls? "Yes, but they are out the back. Were are keeping them for our regular customers. The same goes for beans and things. Don`t worry Kelvin, you will be okay, just ask if you can't get anything".
In this time of polarized politics, name-calling, and basically hateful racism. Let us realize that we are going to need everyone to show some community spirit. Do not overstock on toilet paper and certainly not on bottled water. These are bulky items and if your water supply is ok it is unnecessary. These take up large amounts of space in the truck to resupply the shops. Also, stipping shops of hand sanitizer means there is less or none for others. Therefore, you will be MORE likely to get ill.

273kelvin 8 Mar 18
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I am still floored by this run on toilet paper. I wonder if Freud would think we're all anally fixated.

It seems to be where many keep their brains!

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People who are hoarding supplies are selfish and greedy. In times like these, people will always show you what kind of person they really are.

Mmm or scared and vulnerable. I think a lot of wealthy older people have done it so that they can self isolate for the long haul. I know it’s a pain, but we’re all human.

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There's always morons who panic. Supermarkets are adapting, changing replenishing processes that were not needed before. Seniors given preference early is step in good direction.

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If one can't buy food why would one need toilet paper?

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I have heard the word panic used a lot, but I don't see much panic really. If there is a chance we might be asked to not leave our homes for a few weeks, it seems pretty reasonable to buy up enough food and supplies to last a while - more than you might ordinarily buy. And if everyone is doing that, the shelves are going to go bare pretty quickly. I know the "news" outlets had to print the photo of those two old ladies punching each other over the last package of fanny-ribbon but that's how the news makes it's money, right? I haven't seen any of that in the stores here. People have just been quietly and courteously going about doing what any prudent person would do under the circumstances, as far as I can tell. A pandemic is not the time for ordinary behavior. Things need to change, and change quickly. Norms have to be broken, and it won't be smooth.

skado Level 9 Mar 18, 2020

@SanDiegoAirport
Yes, neighborhoods are different, for sure.

Even with a lockdown, nobody needs that much toilet paper. The tap water in my town is okay so why stock up on bottled? This means less room in the truck for pasta, rice or beans which I grant you it might be prudent to stock up on.

@273kelvin
I don’t know how much toilet paper other people need. I didn’t buy any. That’s the least of my worries if we get locked down. I usually have about a month’s worth on hand anyway.
I didn’t say people were practical and realistic in how much of what they think they need; I’m just saying I didn’t see any people who looked panicked. Looks to me like they’re just stocking up, and I guess that’s one thing a lot of folks don’t want to be without. Dried beans and rice too apparently.

@SeaGreenEyez The two times I went shopping this week. I have seen people buying several multi-packs of TP. My contention is exactly that. These are strange and unusual times. We need to pull together if we are going to get through it. This not a time for "fuck-you" attitudes. If you keep going to the gym etc. This will spread quicker. We all need to be responsible.

Lol @ "fanny ribbon." Took me a second to figure out what the hell that was, but now I'm going to steal it!

Yes, I had a chat with the lady working in the supermarket about it, (when there was still loo roll- wish I’d got a pack, but couldn’t carry it at the time!). I said, so it’s a real thing then? And she explained that they’d had to put a 2 pack limit on as people were coming in and buying trolley loads.
I thought that things would calm down again, but when I ask people about deliveries I still don’t feel confident I’ll get any of the loo roll. Oh well, 4 rolls left 😉

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Local chain, Giant, cut hours and only seniors can shop 6am to 7am starting tomorrow. I'll check that out. Should be at the best it will be stocked.

They have started that here too. The trouble is, us oldies tend not to travel early as we have bus passes* that doesn't start till 9.30 am

*Colloquially known as a "twirly pass" due to bus drivers refusing to accept them. "Too early"

@273kelvin so get up and pay the dollar id be surprised busses dare running

@whiskywoman Personally I am more likely to walk. The supermarkets are not too far away and if needed I can get the bus back later if the shopping is heavy

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LOL! Hand sanitizer only kills 99.9% of the germs, leaving only the strongest to survive. Then that strongest breeds to make the rest stronger. I use good old soap and water to clean my hands. I think the panic will subside next week.

That 99.9 is a legal kind of agnostic thing. If you want to see a species that no one has ever seen before? Look at some dirt through a microscope. You will see some bacteria and there are millions perhaps billions of types of them. So many that no one knows them all. Consequently, a liquid cleaner like bleach or hand sanitizer cannot say that it kills all germs because we don't know all of the germs. Just all the ones it kills.

The high PH of bar soap kills a lot of the bacteria anyway. Ironically, one study I saw showed that plain bar soap left a balance of bacteria behind which enabled the good bacteria to keep the bad bacteria in check. Antibacterial soap killed off the good bacteria and the 0.1% of bad bacteria left behind was able to grow out of control.

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Wash your hands with a bit of Dawn and lather it up in water. People are all going ape over this pandemic and do not display any sense.

that's good but there is more and there will be many deaths to come and not just in the next few weeks it will be in waves so it will ebb and rise again until we get a vaccine and more of a herd defense and it won't be the last pandemic with the polar ice melting and releasing new /old shit we haven't had in centuries

for every one person detected and confirmed there are 5 to 10 exposed or infected and not all ppl get sick some just carry it and infect others

I hate the hoarders and the freaking out idiots but the idiots claiming its not all that are just as dangerous

@whiskywoman Polar ice melting and releasing new and old shit we haven't had in centuries makes a lot more sense in trying to figure out where this comes from than what most people can think up. I'm around those who claim it happened because people in China eat bats.

@DenoPenno that's part of it and their open markets foster rare diseases that come from close proximity of live animals in cages waiting to be purchased

@DenoPenno its cultural can't stop that

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It is the same here in Australia. Most of the main stream grocery stores have more empty shelves than they do stocked. They are starting to place limitations on quantities people can buy. Also they are offering an hour each morning for aged folk to shop, before they open their doors to the general public. I go out 'foraging' each morning to see what I can find and have had more success with the smaller local, independent stores than the corporate ones. Same situation here; no problem on the supply side but they just can't keep the shelves stocked long enough. I feel really sorry for the employee's. They are beginning to visibly wilt under the pressure. Today's surprise....toothpaste. None on the shelves. WTF is it with TP and toothpaste? Wild and crazy times!!!!!!

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Went to my local Aldi's today...other than a few "limit 2 per customer" on a few items, and no toilet paper, I got everything else I needed easily.

Aldi, does that 2 items extend to diving suits and MIG welders? 😉
Seriously though, nice to see some sanity restored

@273kelvin the only one I remember right now is eggs, $1.18/dozen

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I just got back from my local Walmart and I am SCARED. It was like an apocalypse movie, empty shelves and sections. No tv dinners, no hamburger, no pot pies, so much emptiness.

Hopefully, things will calm down in a week or so? In the meantime maybe get creative in your cooking. A stew can last quite a while if you don't mind eating it for more than one day?

@273kelvin Large batch meals can also be frozen in single serve size, homemade convenience food.

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Just got back from one here in the San Francisco bay area. Today we took both dogs to a bay side park near the Golden Gate Fields racetrack. We were not alone but we rarely passed anyone. Pretty nice time and safe enough. Even under shelter in place orders it is recognized that outdoor exercise is a good thing so all the regional parks are open.

But we stopped at a large Target store to see what the line was like. There was no line so we both went in and grabbed what we could think of. No TP but fortunately that is something I usually buy in bulk anyway so we're not hurting yet. The shelves seemed a little more wiped out that normal but still no chance of starving.

Apparently the stores in my area (Berkeley) will begin limiting the number of people in the store at one time as well as making early morning opportunities for those most at risk including we oldsters. Limiting the number allowed in the store is supposed to help keep the employees safe too, something I'm happy about as my brother works at a grocery store not far from here. I used to teach school and we got regular training to expect to be pressed into being made responsible for students at school ahead of ones own dependents at home in a major earthquake or other disaster. But I seriously doubt Safeway employees are ever told in a pandemic your work is needed and so shelter at home orders don't apply to you; instead come in and put yourself in the line of fire all day long.

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People... different places, same attitude! Ok, this thing is causing quite a disruption but you better keep calm!!! Panicking doesn't solve anything. What can you do???

If you have elderly friends, family or neighbors? You can ask them if they need anything before you go shopping? Keep in touch as much as you can by phone or text. If someone does fall ill they might really need your help and it`s reassuring to know that you're there.

@273kelvin, I think only a few do it. Personally, my friends live a bit away (about 20 minutes walking, not too much but still away enough) and all the elderly people I get along don't live nearby as well. I would gladly do it. I don't know about other people. It's not nice when you get back from work and you can't even buy a bit of bread for your breakfast in the morning. I understand the retailer, people buy, screw it! Now, once it's ok, frequently gets quite annoying.

@Paddypereira Call into a small store and pay him upfront. Introduce yourself and make a friend. Ask him to hold some bread etc. for you till tomorrow or when he gets some. Then remember that "friend" when things get better.

@273kelvin,that's a great idea, thanks. If I start working from home soon, which should happen on Monday, I will have the chance to do my shopping for food at lunch time. For in the least 2 weeks I have the problem solved. 😉

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Wow, in the UK too?

So much so that the white goods stores have run out of freezers. People must be doubling down on stockpiling.

@273kelvin In my area of Missouri Lowe's now has to put you on a waiting list to buy a freezer. I found that out just today.

@273kelvin oh, I didn’t know that. I have one shelf. I do hope it doesn’t come to that. I really only have a month or so’s supplies food wise.

@girlwithsmiles that would be a problem for me. We had an online delivery the other day and more or less the only ordered items that arrived were the frozen things.

@Salo lucky, well in order to afford a semi decent lifestyle I share, so them’s the breaks. It’s not usually an issue, although when I live alone I bulk cook and freeze meals, which my current situation stops.

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What I find comical is all the fat people, piling their shopping carts with candy, cookies, doughnuts, pies, and cakes!

The thing is most of the fresh vegetables are still available

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I went to my local shop in the village yesterday and they had everything in stock....except toilet rolls! I will just keep popping in there for fresh bread, milk and veggies as I need them..as I live on my own my toilet requirements are modest and if I run out of loo roll I can use cut up newspaper if necessary. I do not intend to visit any of the bigger supermarkets until this pandemic is over. Incidentally, I just saw an item on TV earlier about when some pensioners arrived at their local Sainsbury’s this morning at 7am to do their shopping at the time set aside for them, they found it already crowded with younger people! The store said that as it was only an advisory rule that Sainsbury’s had introduced and not something they could enforce, they were sorry but they couldn’t prevent the general public from entering the shop. I think that is just so selfish of those younger people and indicative of how greed and an “I’m all right Jack, up yours” mentality seems to come to the fore in times like these. I agree that we need to prevent this selfish mentality from turning the current grave situation into a complete disaster for everyone. It pains me to say it, as I’m a firm believer in civil liberties, but maybe the time for advisory guidelines is over, and we need some firm mandatory laws in the interest of curbing this selfish behaviour.

Funny that they put the OAP shopping early in the morning. Us oldies don't travel before our "twirly pass" kicks in at 9.30 am.

@273kelvin I couldn’t be arsed to get up at 6am in order to get to the supermarket for 7...I’d rather eat grass! 😁

That is a bit sad.

The only thing that needs to happen is limiting purchases to 2 paper products per shopper. Unenforceable at the cashier...

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Sounds like Allan and Mario are pretty sound, I wish I had a loo roll contact right now 😉 good for you 🙂

Nice guys and when I need booze at night (unexpected visitors). They will let me haggle the price down on dusty bottles

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Good advice. 😉 -.15°C 😁

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I’ve always noted that shoppers at the “big box” stores, like Walmart and Costco, are more prone to herd behaviors and, true to form, that’s where I see the most crowding and hoarding. Regarding the “regular” stores and markets in my neighborhood, I’ve noticed something interesting with cultural implications: I live in a very large, majority East Asian community (mostly Chinese emigres and Chinese-American), and many of my neighbors started self-quarantining/social distancing/sheltering-in-place way before folks in other communities, and before any civic/state orders to do so. Hoarding, on the other hand, has been extremely rare: certainly rarer than in the other neighborhoods around us. So far, I’ve been able to find everything I want/need while shopping without problems. I’ve even been picking up items for friends that are hard to find in their parts of the city, including TP and bottled water. 🙂

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I have noticed a shortage in certain items, some canned goods, cheaper TP (the more expensive and 'green' types are left alone) and any kind of hand sanitizer.
I have noticed a lot of people toss the in-store towelettes in the shopping carts or even on the floor. I take a plastic bag to keep what I use as they can be re-used for a while. These come in handy when outside .

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We live in a small town with both a Safeway and a Bashas. I finally got some TP the other day by going in at 6:30. As far a food goes it seems most folks are buying canned goods and noodles. There is so far plenty of produce and that is our staple so I figure we'll be healthier than most as long as this nonsense lasts.

gearl Level 8 Mar 19, 2020
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I work in a supermarket I am on holiday from work at the moment but went in yesterday to buy some bread. The staff looked exhausted shelves where empty one bully had try to take tins of beans out of the trolley of a disabled person the staff on the till are abused normally ( i don't work in the tills and would not be very diplomatic if abused) it is worse most laugh it of but after a while it gets to you. The local shops here seem to be well stocked at the moment how long before the bullies and horders figure this out i don't know. Crisis like this bring out the best and worse in some people.

I suspect that they may call you into work. Supermarket staff are now considered "essential workers" here and we are keeping schools open for their kids. Funny how last month you were not worth a pay rise and now you are "essential".

A lot of the staff at stores I frequent have that “shell shocked” look. I always try to show appreciation for what they do, but am being especially supportive now.

@273kelvin If i am called into work which i doubt the answer will be a firm no

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