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I’m guiding my office on a hike this Friday as parod a “morale” day, and the trail that won the most votes was the Little Foot trail. This trail has tracks from 250 to 270 million years ago made during the Permian period. It will be fun, but I’m worried about one of my co-workers.
Most of them are christian but this one believies the Earth is only 6,000 years old. He most likely wont, but I’m worried he may be offended or try to argue any information I give.
How would ya’all handle a situation like this?

RandyMoose 7 Apr 3
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Never feel araid to tell the truth.

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I would love to see those tracks

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First--I admire your actions and your thoughtfulness/planfulness behind this question. Second--this is a really tough and challenging question. Third--how to respond if this happens. Wow. Basic principle--don't engage the debate. How? You can try to re-frame and emphasize a different kind of activity: "I was hoping we could just enjoy the trail together and not argue controversies today." You can try to segment the group into self-selecting parts who want to manage the day differently: "Interesting observation--everyone who want to talk about it over here in this group/everyone who just wants to walk the group over there in another group." At this time I can't think of any other defusing non-confrontational approaches...and in these times, I wouldn't advise anything confrontational or non-defusing...even in jest. Good luck!!

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You could make a polite, firm comment before you start that if someone's religious beliefs conflict with what you're saying, please refrain from commenting. You could mention that although they have a right to their beliefs, others have a right to believe facts and science.

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Pretend he is not there - give your spiel.

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When it comes to science vs religion, I really advocate facts over (fiction) faith. If a person finds reality incompatible with their beliefs, that's their problem not mine.

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i don't know the real math, but the point that 4 billion years compressed into 6000 would result in Oak Trees needing to go from Acorn to 100' feet tall trees in mere minutes or hours or days, whatever, might monkey wrench the 6000 yr notion. any ring counters. not that monkey wrenches are needed, just for decoration on the dunce hats.

i just tried to do the math .5 secs for a 100 years on the 6000 year scale.....?

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I would ignore any comment that ignored the evidence, an I would be on my knees.... getting a closer look at something so awesome!

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Say, "I guess the proto-dinosaurs that wandered around here never read the bible, or they would have known that the earth didn't exist yet."

JimG Level 8 Apr 3, 2018
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I was one of those wackos. Speak in the third person. Paleontologist and geologist say these were made 10 million years ago. You are referring to the experts and not challenging him directly.

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Maybe point out the preserved tracks and frame it in such a way that it won't be controversial - like:

"It's thought that these tracks are over 250 million years old. Whether you think the world is that old or just 6000 years old, it's still a might long time, and it's awesome just walking along the same trail traveled by creatures so long ago." And maybe add in "Let's not have any arguements about the exact age of these tracks, but just agree they are old!"

The creationist likely knows he is in the minority with his thinking and will appreciate the gesture of you trying to include his beliefs in the discussion. Those are my thoughts, if it was me.

I very much like your approach. It comes down to ones personal style. For me my comment would work better. For many yours would be much better. Thank you for your contribution to this seemingly difficult subject. You made it much easier.

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If he tries to debate the geology just resort to the facts. Make sure to verse yourself on the geology and the science involved before hand. He'll either pull "facts" out of his ass - which can be dealt with by a simple reference to "extraordinary facts require extraordinary evidence." He won't really have either. He'll likely have some dope headed and easily disproved hypothesis that proports to explain the observed facts but is so extraordinary and requires so much non-existent evidence as to be absurd.

Either that our he'll just say it is wrong and he doesn't need evidence because his Bible is all the evidence he needs. Either way, you just have to be prepared to walk away from the argument once he looks ridiculus in the eyes of a reasonable observer. Beyond that, there is nothing you can do. Likely, you are right, he'll say nothing.

You said, "extraordinary facts require extraordinary evidence."
I think you meant, "extraordinary claims...."

@JimG Yes - indeed I did...

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In a case like that, I would just smile and nod and say "maybe" or "thank you". Then change the subject.

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Pointing and laughing can be effective.

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