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A good dose of the Philosophy pf Religion is enough to make anyone an atheist. But I wonder if the Christian Churches were not among the first practitioners of Gaslighting. Anyone who has read the bible will know that in the old testament if anyone disobeyed the tribal God of Israel they would be annihilated. Yet after the New Testament Churches perpetrated the most vile abominations. Popes have been debauched. People have been burnt alive. And then there is the crusades. And it is all done in God's name. If there is a God such as existed in the Old Testament the people who were so vile as to corrupt the religion - and pedophiles are the latest offering of the Catholic Church - then God would have eliminated them. Despite these outrages people still cling to the idea of God. And that is why I say that the church are Gaslighters. They rewrite history and deny what is obvious or they make it less serious than it was and is.

Azaz8899 5 Sep 2
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As a footnote to my earlier comment, in that whole free will theory, no matter what you did, molest children, burn people at the stake (oh yes, they were actually doing that with god's blessing!), murder, adultery, all is forgiven and you get into heaven if the moment before you die you ask for forgiveness. Something a little off about that concept!

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They seem to get around that with the concept of "free will." God created humans with free will, so they can decide to be good or bad. This way you do what you want, and if you do bad stuff, god just won't let you into heaven and god doesn't have to have any responsibility for punishment or condoning. Of course, there are pandemics, earthquakes, hurricanes, etc, which can be used as god's "punishment" for all those bad deeds. But funny how they would have happened anyway, whether or not there was a god.

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But it's all God, God, God, isn't it?

Our pretend president has used the same tactics to devastating effect.

You may notice how cleverly I have avoided typing his name yet one more time...

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I think it is all gas, and no light.

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Very good. But you left out, twenty centuries of milking every ounce of wealth possible out of the poorest and most innocent communities.

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No kidding

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It is obvious to me that all gods are fashioned after the people who invent them. It's also obvious that there are many mean spirited, selfish and frightened people in our world.

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Human imagination and creativity is unlimited.

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I think we've come a long way from the worship of the old Jehovah god. Christ comes across more gnostic than his dad. The trouble is that the era of Christ has gone on for so long now that people aren't really aware how like the father the son will be when the end times arrive. I think that's because the Book of Revelation is heavily based on the older writings such as Zechariah. I don't know how society might have gone forward if we had had an alternative history and lived under some other regime. I doubt it could have been any better. So 'we are where we are and it is what it is' and I hope we can move on to some more enlightened period in our history but it doesn't look good at the moment.

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Modern religion is as guilty of this as ever, I cannot count the times when the religious have asked if I am mentally ill, because the existence of gawd is so obvious only a liar or a lunatic could dispute it.
That is of course until you demand to see the evidence, at which point you either get the standard responses of
"Just look around you"
or
"I'll pray for you"

or else they get angry and start building a metaphorical bonfire for the blaspheming heretic.

I use the argument that geniesis says God created theHEAVENS and earth. If that's the case and God resides in heaven. Where was God while creating heaven and earth. Where did he reside before it was made

@bstewa217
You can take it even further than that.
If god just is an needed no creator, then how could he she or it have any concept of creation, be self aware or even understand his her or its own existence.
A being coming in to existence in a void has no frame of reference with which to compare itself, judge itself or ever have an understand of "another" never mind communication.

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First, you seem to confuse things about the biblical text. According to the biblical text the people are the Gods. John 10:34 Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your Law, 'I have said you are "gods"'?

By biblical definition Religion is ... pure and faultless is this: to help widows and orphans in need and avoiding worldly corruption. James 1:27

The old textiment (as commonly accepted) as you mentioned is, in part, the laws of government for the people of the nation of Israel prior to 2000 years ago. As being a former Christian, I understand the old testiment laws would be out of Jurisdiction because here in America we are not under or in the Jurisdiction of the nation of Israel. The current nation of Israel does not specifically run its government according to biblical old textiment dictates. Apart of old testiment is like records of national archives of poetry, stories, words of wisdom and writing of the prophets (books of the prophets) which were simular to modern day presidents executive records.

The new testiment, in part, is purported to be eye witness testimony that the Ocirus to Horus reincarnated myth actually come true.

Isaiah 19:25 The LORD Almighty will bless them, saying, "Blessed be Egypt my people, Assyria my handiwork, and Israel my inheritance."

Lord of host Lucifer the devil is Egyptian you can research further yourself. And the current Masonic lodge secret religion racist devil worshippers attribute their secret religion devil worship to origins of Egypt mystics (you can further research this your self).

In your use of the word religion United States of America is the secret religion of the Masonic lodge secret religion racist devil worshippers since their freedom from England July 4th, 1776.

Identification for taxation and government control is religious dictates of the biblical text. The parts of the biblical text are written in metaphor and riddles which mean it requires someone with higher intellectual capabilities to decipher and understand the riddles. Yet, there is plain language in the biblical dictates about the establishment of the mark of the beast- 666, which means identification for taxation and government control. Apart of the genius of the riddle is that it states on the hand orvforehead which people take that as a literal requirement for the mark of the beast 666. "Beast" by the way, is a metaphor for laws of government.

American capitalism minimum wage slavery is based on identification for taxation and government control.
"so that they could not buy or sell unless they had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of its name." Revelations 13:17

In order to have bank account you must have ID, to own car, you must have ID, all major things in life as we know it in America requires people to follow the "religious " dictates of the Masonic lodge secret religion racist devil worshippers and their following of the biblical text.

Word Level 8 Sep 2, 2020

@Azaz8899 I didn't say they worship Satan. Satan is not a proper name, it means originally adversary.

@Azaz8899 I have fought spiritual and legal battles against the Masonic lodge secret religion racist devil worshippers and such of Texas state Judge Dan Mike Bird's plan to want to kill a man because of his race.

@Azaz8899 Ancient Egyptian Mystery Schools and Freemasonry

The connections between Ancient Egypt and modern Freemasonry are many, and only a few are presented in this article. To say that Freemasonry was born from the Egyptian Mystery Schools and their initiation rituals is true in part. Nobody can claim to know the full history of Freemasonry and the origin of each of its symbols. The Egyptian Mystery Schools played a part in its development, as did those of the Greeks, Romans, Druids, Essenes, Cathars, Rosicrucians, Alchemists, and the guilds of the Medieval Stone Masons.

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@Azaz8899 Now tell me. Is there something wrong to have a hated for wickedness?

@Azaz8899 If any one white member voted against a black petitioner that person would be rejected. In a letter by General Albert Pike to his brother in 1875 he said, "I am not inclined to mettle in the matter. I took my obligations to white men, not to Negroes. When I have to accept Negroes as brothers or leave Masonry, I shall leave it."[

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@Azaz8899 "Lucifer, the Light-bearer ! Strange and mysterious name to give to the Spirit of darkness! Lucifer, the Son of the Morning! It is he who bears the Light, and with its splendors intolerable, blinds feeble, sensual or selfish souls? Doubt it not!"
Albert Pike, Morals and Dogma of the ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry, p321, 19th Degree of Grand Pontiff

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@Azaz8899 I have already posted several references that shows you comments such as "Masonry does not claim to be associated with Ancient Egypt" see reference again here :

General Albert Pike, Grand Commander, sovereign pontiff of universal freemasonry, giving instructions to the 23 supreme councils of the world.

“That which we must say to the crowd is, we worship a god, but it is the god one adores without superstition. To you sovereign grand inspector general, we say this and you may repeat it to the brethren of the 32nd, 31st and 30th degrees - the Masonic religion should be by all of us initiates of the high degrees, maintained in the purity of the luciferian doctrine.

If lucifer were not god, would Adonay (the God of the Christians) whose deeds prove cruelty, perfidy and hatred of man, barbarism and repulsion for science, would Adonay and His priests, calumniate Him?

Yes, lucifer is god, and unfortunately Adonay is also God, for the eternal law is that there is no light without shade, no beauty without ugliness, no white without black, for the absolute can only exist as two gods. darkness being necessary for light to serve as its foil, as the pedestal is necessary to the statue, and the brake to the locomotive.

Thus, the doctrine of Satanism is heresy, and the true and pure philosophical religion is the belief in lucifer, the equal of Adonay, but lucifer, god of light and god of good, is struggling for humanity against Adonay, the god of darkness and evil”

Recorded by A.C. De La Rive, La Femme et L’enfant dans La Franc-Maconnerie Universelle, Page 588. Cited from ‘The question of freemasonry, ( 2nd edition 1986 by Edward Decker pp12-14)

@Azaz8899 And no I am not ignorant about Masonic lodge secret religion racist devil worship. I grew up in a town where that most all government officials and other major leaders were members that attended the TEMPLE meeting place.

Temple defined as: a building devoted to the worship, or regarded as the dwelling place, of a god or gods or other objects of religious reverence. Google definition by oxford

@Azaz8899 thanks for your conversation and I am glad not to hear back from you UNLESS you can actually say something TRUTHFUL

@Azaz8899 I just have to ask, Why in the goofie sense do you think I am a trump supporter when my battles are against the secret religion government of the Masonic lodge secret religion racist devil worshippers that Trump is currently the President of? As far as I am concerned and interested in is ending Masonic lodge secret religion racist devil worship government called UNITED STATES OF AMERICA raping this land from those of my ancestry that has been here for 1000s of years prior to the European invasion of the year 1492. Then, brick homes for everyone on Earth built by true masons free from mortgage free from rent free from taxation free from governmental terrorism and free from religious oppression.

This is an excellent article and if you think it concerns Satan who exists about as much as god then this should help you out cuz as an agnostic or atheist you should NOT BELIEVE in either. My atheist father was a Mason he didn't believe in god or satan.

[grandlodgeofvirginia.org]
Misinformation or outright lies about Freemasonry are jusThe 'Satanic' Brotherhood with clergymen in its ranks
Freemasonry: Dr Rowan Williams reveals his concerns over a secret society he believes is incompatible with the Christian faith
By Jason Bennetto
Friday 15 November 2002 01:00
Freemasonry describes itself on its website as the "UK's largest secular, fraternal, and charitable organisation". So why does the new Archbishop of Canterbury think it is a secret society with dubious spiritual credentials?

"In your use of the word religion United States of America is the secret religion of the Masonic lodge secret religion racist devil worshippers since their freedom from England July 4th, 1776." could you give us a reference to study the source of this statement?

@K9Kohle789 I do not believe in "Satan" as the proper name for a person. Satan is what a Christian could call an atheist because an atheist could be an adversary to a Christian. I too could be considered by a Christian to be a satan because I would oppose what christianity thinks they know. No, I am not a Christian.

@Mcflewster "... could you give us a reference to study the source of this statement?"

It would first require, as stated in the statement, a definition from you as to what "religion " is defined as by you.

@Word Religion is a set of conclusions reached in error by poor science combined with rigorous attentions to maintaining these conclusions applied by appointed persons in an unelected hierarchy.

@Mcflewster i have never heard of that religion.

@Word Does it not cover all of them? Improve the definition if you like . It is just my latest version. Put it to the teat with all religions you know of . In science a definition is useless unless it can cover all known examples. It may change of course, with new discoveries, but that is inherent in science.

@Mcflewster it has nothing to do with helping widows and orphans in need and avoiding worldly corruption. So, it does not cover all religions

@Mcflewster biblical religion is defined in James 1:27 Religion ... pure and faultless is this: to help widows and orphans in need and avoiding worldly corruption.

It has been around defined in writing for almost 2000 years .

@Word So what? Years mean nothing for veracity. You need to find a new way of looking at religion. OR do you? Perhaps you may be too absorbed with it?

@Mcflewster I was reared with going to nursing homes visiting elder and widow(ers) and my mother was a foster parent for orphan children. Now days I am not exactly absorbed with religion on the side of helping but I am into the side of avoiding worldly corruption.

@Word Great ! That too [ about corruption] is one of my driving forces about world government. Co-vid id a 'push' towards it.

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"If there was a god such as existed in the old testament" ? Of course there wasn't,or isn't. The old testament is entertaining mythology but really no different from Norse,Greek ,or Roman mythology.
The Christian doomsday cult, one of many in the area at the time got lucky and the rest as they say is history.

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No shit, Sherlock!

@Azaz8899 Hostility? Wow, you're touchy or have an incredible inferiority complex. That is my standard response to any post that has an obvious answer, and you are the first person ever to take this as an attack instead of looking at the humor in it, which in your case being a briton is particularly sad. Most if not all of your many compatriots here respond with something like "elementary my dear Watson" but not you. Oh well, some members do have a very thin skin. Whenever I want to be hostile or call you an idiot, you will definitely know it. Hey, but if the shoe fits...

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Any political system of power will have laws porous enough to eliminate opposition but leave enough space to justify and let allies of the power free...

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Welcome to the failure of the average Dumb Joe to use his (god-given!) brain.

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