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Somewhere I saw a supposedly biblical story from the OT -- young David was being chased by King Saul and hid in a recess off the main part of a cave. A fearsome repulsive spider came in with David and spin webbing over the opening of the hole David was hiding in. Saul looked into the cave, saw the gossamer covering David's hiding place and said "He couldn't be in there!"
So this means yhat god sometimes sends awful, disgusting (ungodly!) things, people etc to help us (like, say, DJT?). And this is why evangelicals, etc love djt. The ot book was noted.
Did I see that on this site? What was the bible book?

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David, Saul, and the cave are in 1Samuel chapter 24 but there is no mention of a spider. From my experience, Christian preachers often enhance Bible stories with fictional details.


Ezekiel 4:12 God instructs Ezekeil to make a campfire with his own feces to bake some bread.


I thought that was Johnny Appleseed.


Just manufactured and stolen mythology.


The most incredible thing about their planned national dominion, is the fact that most of us will not allow it to happen and I doubt they comprehend just how seriously this will not happen even if they become even more fascist and militant and organized than they already are, and they are.
We can't trust any political party that lies to us, Trump lied about kids being immune to the virus so open the damned schools, that's attempted mass murder.
You don't get to invoke a rule that the administration can't appoint a Supreme Court Judge in an election year and get everyone to agree, then appoint one during the election when it's your turn.
This illustrates the dishonesty, the self interest, the egotism and the craven hunger for power that has to be removed even if it involves grave sacrifice, they have defined themselves as our enemy, we didn't start this, but we will finish it.

Nothing a well placed round wont cure......!!



The Hebrew Scriptures do not say anything about the web. etc.

3 He came to the sheep pens along the way; a cave was there, and Saul went in to relieve himself. David and his men were far back in the cave. 4 The men said, “This is the day the Lord spoke of when he said[b] to you, ‘I will give your enemy into your hands for you to deal with as you wish.’” Then David crept up unnoticed and cut off a corner of Saul’s robe.

5 Afterward, David was conscience-stricken for having cut off a corner of his robe. 6 He said to his men, “The Lord forbid that I should do such a thing to my master, the Lord’s anointed, or lay my hand on him; for he is the anointed of the Lord.” 7 With these words David sharply rebuked his men and did not allow them to attack Saul. And Saul left the cave and went his way.

8 Then David went out of the cave and called out to Saul, “My lord the king!” When Saul looked behind him, David bowed down and prostrated himself with his face to the ground.

However, as someone else posted, it is in the Midrash:


The motif of spiders coming to the aid of heroic figures by using webs to hide them from their enemies is a fairly common theme and Jewish tradition is no exception. The Otzar Midrashim 47 describes how, while on the run from King Saul, David hid in a cave. A spider then covered the cave’s opening with a web and Saul’s soldiers, seeing the undisturbed webbing, assumed that the cave must be unoccupied.

The Midrash has tales that are not considered, ahem, "true" by Christians, including the story of Lilith.

I'm fairly certain the same thing happened to Mohammad.

@brentan In apocryphal writings, I am sure that it happened to Jesus, too!

@Gwendolyn2018 I had to take a look and see if I could find something! Lo and behold (don't laugh), I came across this story right away. [] Maybe it could be called a Christian hadith.

@Gwendolyn2018 That could be the case but we have no ancient Christian writings to that effect that have been found. I would catagorize it as unlikely as they did not use very much midrash but prefered to rewrite the accepted Torahs stories with Jesus being the newer better hero.

@brentan More like Christian apocrypha. The Catholics had books that Protestants rejected. The Protestants also left some Catholic books out of their canonical Bible.


@DavidLaDeau Some apocryphal works are quite old. Some were probably passed down orally and some were made up, i.e. the letter supposedly from Pontius Pilate that told what happened to him after the crucifixion.

They are not as well known in the modern world as they were in earlier eras--perhaps because Protestants "depend" on the canonical Bible. There are also books in the Catholic Bible that Protestants rejected, i.e. Judith and the Maccabees.


@Gwendolyn2018 Actually I think I have read everything extant. Many are so fragmented that are almost impossible to read, but some scholars have used "educated guesses" to fill in the blanks.

The important thing about these writings is they give us a glimpse of what the differing sects believed and how Christianity evolved into what it is today.



He kissed the spider, according to the bible, your analogies are all whack, who in their right mind could say that the orange turd is an ungodly creature sent to help us? help us die and become a russian satellite does not qualify as help by the way.


That story is not Biblical, it is Midrash.
Also it is not complete, in the original young David questions god s to why he made Madmen, spiders and stinging wasps all thing David feels have no purpose and are at odd with the supposed wisdom of god.
God gets pissed off at David, calls him a cheeky bastard and promises that one day Daviy boy will see why Wasps, spiders and nut jobs are all proof of HIS divine wisdom.
Through various situations years later god arranges for David to be endangered and in fear of his life three times, the first time he escapes death by pretending to be mad, the second is the Spider story and the third is David gets stuck in Saul's tent while trying to rob the mad king Saul in his sleep and only gets away because the guard is stung by a wasp. Thus proving Spiders, wasps and loonies were created by god purely for the purpose of getting David out of sit com situations a few thousand years later that he god engineered in the first place and showing how "wise" the daft bugger was..


This is just a jewish tale talking about king david, kind of fan fiction as we would call it today.

As far as I remember, it's not in the bible.
By the way, Isrraeli archaeologists have said that there was no great kingdom of david.
He was merely a tribal chieftan whose life story was elaborated on.
See "David and Solomon" and "The Bible Unearthed" by Israel Finkelstein.

In 1993 The Tel Dan Stele was found in excavations in Turkey, which gives record from the Hittite archives of Battles, victories and defeats with the Kingdom of the Israelites, the founder of the House of David and his mighty armies and their alliance with Solomon against the Philistines .
So it is now seen as a lot more credible to think David did exist and was far more than a simple tribal leader.

@LenHazell53 The Tel Dan's authenticity is in question. We do know that David and Soloman were at best "Kings" of a very small village from archaeology though I would love to entertain the thought of their "GREAT" kingdoms. The remaining stories are extremely embellished legends at best.


Evidently the story is in 1Samuel 22-24

If you have read the bible, Saul hated David, because David and Saul's son Jonathan had a romantic relationship. David was Bi. When he heard of Honathan's death David said his love for him was stonger than he felt for any woman.

Yes it is all a bit screwed up, since David was married to Jonathon's sister, had children with her (but later threw over in favour of Bathsheba) but seemed also to have been in a gay relationship with the crown prince and was for a time possibly involved with their father Saul who suffered from fits of madness which only David could calm by playing music to him for hours on end while he slept.

I ahve always wondered at that story. The writing is horrific! After years of David playing for Saul, the next thing you know Saul totally fogets who the hell David was. He never even recalls David it appears.

@DavidLaDeau The bible has many many many continuity problems.

@snytiger6 So many that instead of going to Seminary I ended up an atheist.

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