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Actor Nick Searcy: America Was Built on Faith, Religious Freedom [link.theepochtimes.com]

dave1459 8 Nov 3
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America was built by (1) slaves, (2) immigrants.

@dave1459 I assumed that everyone knew that.

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Pilgrims settled here. They didn't build this country. This country was built 150 years later by secular revolutionaries.

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This seems to get to the heart of something bugging me.
I have attended a fundamentalist church service within the last six years.
They were pretty blatantly pro Republican, all their fears become our problems.
This election seems to be dividing the people that clearly and loudly proclaim their faith and all the rest of us whom they discriminate against. They don't have to attend church to be culturally Christian either, see half of Appalachia.
This may be the modern equivalent to Oliver Cromwell and the Round Heads, except for all his flaws Oliver actually believed, Donald doesn't.

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But of course. That mean old King would not let them practice their religion. How long has Epoch Times been around? Falun Gong, New Tang Dynasty, and the second largest Trump Facebook advertiser. They are also big into QAnon and anti vaccination propaganda and conspiracies. Why would I believe anything written by them? Maybe there were good people on both sides.

@dave1459 I use ad blockers. You have to search for them and know how to do this. You Tube might have video on a good one for you browser on android app.

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Why would you post anything from The Epoch Times? None of your links work. If you see something (that is not patent nonsense) worth posting, cut and paste it. The publishers are notorious for ridiculous propaganda coming from the Falun Gong cult.

These kooks are more radical that the morons supporting Trump/Putin. There's your nastiness...

Probably because you're subscribed to it LOL

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Here is a cleaner link:

[theepochtimes.com]

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skado Level 9 Nov 3, 2020
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I hope my comments won’t be taken as “nasty” but this article is long on political and religious propaganda and fear-mongering, and short on reason and facts.

A giant red flag is when either side claims the other side wants to “destroy our country”. We don’t get to tell the other side what their motivations are, mostly because we are usually not in a position to understand them.

Nobody in their right mind wants to destroy the country they live in - that’s just ‘otherizing’ the enemy - dehumanizing them so we can disregard their wishes (or murder them) without remorse.

Paranoid conspiracy theories are rampant right now, and both sides are losing their minds. We don’t need more GOOD vs EVIL drama.

Quote from the article:
“However, “America is the only government in the world that is a self-correcting government that the people can actually change, rather than just having a dictator change its mind,” he added.”

Really? Is that a fact? Does that even remotely resemble a fact? I think it resembles the meaningless, jingoistic hyperbole that I often see any time Dennis Prager is near. No wonder Christianity is losing membership in the U.S.

Fundamentalist religion and fundamentalist politics are poisonous enough individually, but put them together and you have one deadly recipe.

skado Level 9 Nov 3, 2020

@dave1459
The article was such a hodgepodge of unrelated propaganda, I’m not real sure what “freedom” it was attempting to describe. The freedom to be a Christian Republican?

If the early settlers were here for religious freedom, I don’t see what that has to do with covid, Christianity, or the economy.

We still have religious freedom.

@dave1459
“Also where are the 'facts' that there isn't a god.”

I didn’t say there isn’t a god. I said fundamentalism is deadly. I don’t think it would take much research to verify how many people have died as a result of religious fundamentalism and political extremism.

Non-fundamentalist religious ideas, on the other hand, like love your neighbor, forgive the transgressor, be kind to strangers, etc. probably never killed anyone. So I’m not talking about generic religion or God; just religious literalism and fundamentalism.

Same goes for extreme political ideologies. They are inflexible and murderous, whether on the left or right. That doesn’t mean that everything political is evil; just fundamentalist politics.

When people start framing ordinary human negotiations in terms of good versus evil, somebody is going to get hurt.

@dave1459
Wealth can’t come from a government. Labor produces wealth. The most a government can do, relative to wealth, is influence how it is distributed.

Most people who are able are willing to work. Some people work harder, or longer, or smarter than others, but no human can work 300 times faster or smarter than the average worker. The only way one individual can accumulate 300 times as much wealth in a day as another is if it is done within a human-devised system that distributes the fruits of other people’s labor into the pockets of that one person.

If a government supports this kind of economic system, the capitalists don’t cry “redistribution!” But clearly it wouldn’t happen without government intervention.

But mention guaranteeing those workers enough of the fruits of their own labor to live on, and all of a sudden it’s communism. This isn’t reason. It’s legerdemain.

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He's just an actor...

@dave1459 He is just as important as I am.

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He's entitled to believe whatever he pleases, just like everyone else.
Even if he's wrong.

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I agree with the religious freedom

You lost me at “Download our app”. Don’t worry about it though. I hear that it is because of our white privilege. Some can’t help it. I’m still learning about it myself.

And that's why I fail to understand why so many atheists are as aggressive as believers.

@Holysocks I am aggressive because of the harm that was done to me by a God Mobster, and I do not see why such vile wretches should be allowed to inflict the same on other people.

@Holysocks the level of aggression is in no way comparable

@anglophone Shut up; and may I add, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Also and emphatic blah.

@dave1459 can you explain it?

@dave1459 you’ll be okay

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