*Wannabe Native Americans
Found this on Quora - Not my analysis
My great grandmother was 100 percent Cherokee, what percentage does that make me?
Of course, this is the likely answer, but the train of logic might not be so clear without context.
See, most people that have a full blood Cherokee great-grandmother are already enrolled in the tribe and know their blood degree. This is because there were only two locations where full bloods come from - going back to Removal era (1830s) up to the modern era. This is in Oklahoma and western North Carolina. They are found in distinct communities from a few hundred known families. There were only about 4,000 full bloods females TOTAL in the western band and maybe a few hundred in the eastern band in the early 1900s.
So, anyone that is middle age - in their mid 40s or so - would have a great-grandparent born around the turn of the 20th century, or the early 1900s. For a younger person, you’d be pushing that date of birth or great-gramma closer to contemporary times. And they’d still be found coming from very distinct communities. They’d be ENROLLED too.
For older folks, you’d be finding them listed on either the Dawes Roll (if western bands) or Churchill or Baker Roll (if eastern).
That’s for people who legitimately descend from the very small full blood Cherokee population within the last few generations.
However, the reason I said the likely is 0% is because there are more Americans with straight-up bogus claims of Cherokee blood than there are Cherokee tribal members or legit descendants. They are out-numbered several times in fact. The vast majority of Americans that claim their great-grandmother are going to fall into the statistically more likely category - e.g. bogus family lore.
This usually means the great-grandmother in question is a bit mysterious. But, when real research is done, they don’t tie back to the tribal community.
So, you’d first have to name this great-grandmother and we can narrow her down> Then, I’d be able to tell you if she is truly Cherokee, or if you have erroneous lore of “Cherokee blood.” Either way, it would be very easy to verify. You can’t do any blood calculations before you establish this lineage and actual tribal status.
My family had a similar experience in that we were always told, by our mother, that her grandmother, who lived in Kansas, was a full blood member of the Chickasaw tribe. We believed this until one brother did some research and found no such connection.
Shout out to @StarvingArtist, who nails it. Your analysis is superficial and simplistic.
I am an enrolled member of the Muskogee (Creek) nation, another victim of the death march. My grandfather's people were Creek (and European, he wasn't full-blood) while my grandmother's people were both Cherokee and Creek. The Dawes Act required that you could only identify with one Nation, not two, so my grandmother chose Creek.
There is so much wrong with that article that i don’t even know where to begin.
Before the Trail of Tears death march, there were many natives including Cherokees that fled their home territory because of racial oppression that there is no way to count their numbers. Some who survived the death march fled into the Ozark Mountains and never had their names inscribed onto the Dawes Roll. And others simply refused to sign at all. So there are many folks with Cherokee heritage that have no ‘official’ account of their heritage.
I have 2 grandfathers of Cherokee heritage one traceable, one not. I will be glad when DNA testing can give better clarification to all those who do not have a paper trail to trace their ancestry, and I don’t just mean Native Americans.
We have a family tradition that claims my fourth or fifth great-grandmother was Cherokee. I have papers where my great-great grandfather file for benefits but was turned down because he "looked like a white man." This "legend" goes back well over a hundred years. However, when my niece had a DNA test done, no Native American. So it goes.
the Baker roll didn't extend to all states..West Virginia did not participate..my grandfather and grandmother(eastern tribe) settled near a little place called creston along the little kanawha river in the late 1800s and raised a family of five..my mother, the youngest moved away and married an irishman!....granny used to say that there were about 1200 in the eastern tribe..no way of knowing I would assume....a lot of gaps in history but I keep finding things out as time goes on..
As my daughter and I were told when our search into our rather mixed Ancestry was going on,.
We found direct linage links to both the Cherokee peoples and the Navajo peoples via an ancestor from Wales in the U.K. who was 'stranded' on the coast of what is now Nth. Carolina after his Trading Ship was attacked and sunk by French Privateers.
He and 3 other survivors wandered for weeks until they met up some of the native peoples, Cherokees, who took them in and welcomed them into their nation.
His name was Royston Stanley and shared the same surname as I do.
He was a widower back in Wales and ended up wedding a Cherokee woman by the name of "Singing Bird" with whom he had 3 more sons and 2 daughters beside the 2 grown sons back in Wales.
To cut a very long story short, my daughter and I were invited to, and welcomed as well, come and meet our distant relatives on the Cherokee land now in Oklahoma were we informed that by Cherokee Lore " Anyone with even a drop of Cherokee blood in their veins IS NOT part-Cherokee BUT ALL Cherokee."
I am less then half, but more then a quarter, indigenous. I look exactly like my mom who was 3/4 indigenous. I have very distinctive native features, and am registered with a first nation in northern Ontario.....with that being said my full blooded sister is my opposite. She has hazel eyes and blond hair. She can pass for Caucasian.
I once dated a girl who'd grown up in foster care, but had always thought she was 100% Navajo. In her late 20s, she discovered that she actually had a Pima grandmother (for history buffs or folk music fans, Ira Hayes was Pima).
A lot of the problem is that we did as much as possible to destroy the culture and heritage of our natives. Children were stolen from their families and sent to "Indian Schools" often while they were too young to remember their own origins.
I have English and Dutch ancestry but nothing I can nail down. I'm sure there is some native American there but it is just family folk lore that I was hearing. I'm sort of a mutt. I don't have a pedigree of the pure blood that Nazi's and others claimed in error that they had.
One of my Great Grandmothers was 100% Choctaw and her mother hid rather then brave the trail of tears.
Genetics however says I'm like 15% Native American while family history says only about 8%.
The problem with genetics is that traits may or may not be passed on.
My sister didn't register as Native American at all, and I look too much like my Dad to be a love child.
Still it makes perfect sense why Elizabeth Warren was so convinced she published her DNA results, she was just too honest to lie about it, something we have in common.
I look fish belly white.
I've always been amused by all the White Americans who claim Native American ancestory, always in fractional parts, and nearly always Cherokee.. (ever notice none claim to be "three quarters Tonkawa", or " three sixteenths Arapahoe"?).
Since most White Americans are descended from European immigrants who arrived in the United States sometime between 1890 and 1910, it could be that their children pretended to have Native American ancestors, to make themselves feel less "foreign", to avoid bullying at school; and that this is the origin of the phenomenon?