i heard 99.9% of all species are extinct

are humans next i often wonder

@HeAdAkE ha well interesting subject change, and maybe huh?

what an oversight, eh?
lol

@bbyrd009 when u really think about it, he doesnt give a shit about his special homo sapiens cuz where the hell is he? its been thousands of years and not even a peep

jesus is weak as fuk

@HeAdAkE well, from your perspective i can understand why you might say that, but i suggest that you likely do not know who "Jesus" is, and most Christians certainly do not
^No son of man may die for another's sins; the lifesoul that sins, dies*

@bbyrd009 i cannot abandon all of my critical facultys to believe any of the claims by whoever they were

the story is trash trust me

great claims require great evidence ive always thought

@bbyrd009 he sacrificed himself to himself to save us from what hed do to us if we don't believe it

@HeAdAkE “ the story is trash trust me”
Not sure which story you mean, but the cult of sol interp is surely trash, yes

“he sacrificed himself to himself to save us from what hed do to us if we don't believe it”
Yes, the cult of sol perspective, that is in no way supported by the Bible, fwiw
No son of man may die for another’s sins...
No one has ever gone up to heaven...
All go to the same place
He who seeks to save his life/soul shall lose it
There is only One Immortal
etc, on and on

So i mean you are certainly welcome to your perspective ok, but you might keep an open mind? Much more fun to dismantle believers with their own book lol

@bbyrd009 my mind was open for many years until i grew up and started to use my developed brain to put things into perspective

u seem as if u still want the bullshit to seep in but i try not to assume, i just use the information i have

@HeAdAkE ah, what bullshit are we talking about? Which of those do you not agree with?

“my mind was open for many years”
well, so you say, right, but are you saying it no longer is?

“until i grew up and started to use my developed brain to put things into perspective”
i guess pretty much everyone feels like you do, here? Generally speaking, anyway

oh! i love that!!!

narf

Richard Dawkins must be older than he looks as I believe he first used the word "meme"

@Moravian yes, it is credited as I understand to Dawkins for coining the word "meme". The understanding he gives for "meme" is the theme of the biblical text for a "mind organism " that developed into Jesus character.

@Moravian First for quick reference in understanding the physics of information: (a Seth Llotd internet video can be a starting point). Information is synonymous with knowledge with contextual use differences. Knowledge is physical.

The best synopsis I can think of now would be: development of a "meme" cognition organism, such as in someones brain, with it's own cognition capability developed.

Brief review of natural patterns: Hydrogen is said to fuse in stars to build larger elements. The elements combine making a plethora of compounds. We get the single cell of an organism brought about by these patterns. The single cell said to evolve into many organisms, to which, single celled organisms has not evolved into the same organism such as homo sapian. Cognition based organisms and cognition interaction by natural means can be seen on a small scale of brainless slime mould cognition of a group of single celled organisms and zombie ant fungus parasite controlling cognition of ant for reproductive purposes.. You were once a single celled organism when you were a zygote. From there, at least, your cognition grew and developed to what it is now. A mind virus as small as a word, stuck in the brain could grow, give ever the appropriate conditions to become greater cognition capabilities for what was once called demon possession. These things may now be viewed as different kinds or development levels seen as bipolar, schizophrenia, causing visual or hearing hallucinations, multiple cognition virus organisms/multiple personality disorder or larger scales or types involve groups of individuals as seen with illogical atheist/agnostic Jim Jones and killing over 900 people. Some cognition mind organisms may be symbiotic and others parasitic to the “Host".
For then, consider a mind meme that transmits thru many generations of people as it grows and develops as the old testiment people of Israel pass on their cultural meme.

John 1:1 in the beginning was the logos, the logos was with God and was God. John 1:14 …the logos become flesh (a person).

John 3:6 …that which is born of Pnuema…

Pnuema of greek corresponds for the meaning related to ruach: force like breath. The power of words spoken.

Matthew 5:17 "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

For just one example of scholar comparing old to new testiment : Paul Humber author of: 400 Prophecies, Appearances or Foreshadowings of Christ in the Tanakh (Old Testament). This shows us the purported life of Jesus in new testament was a repeat of old testiment”meme", or logos(thought, word, speech). One view could say, the life of Jesus was preprogrammed by old testiment. D.N.A. is the preprogrammed genetic code that makes up our physical bodies. Not to say our entire lives are preprogrammed by genetic code, but to compare the life of Jesus a “cognition entity", preprogrammed to fulfill laws and prophets as the words, logos and meme are the programming cognition entity “D.N.A.”.

1 Corinthians 2:16 …But we have the mind of Christ.

Only giving brief overview, we see objectively what they originally meant and and what the new testiment gives eye witness statements for. Now with scientific understanding about cognition and Illogical atheist Richard Dawkins articulation of a mind cognition organism for understanding the natural means of the bringing about of the Egyptian, Jesus style God, into the nation of Israel about 2000 years ago. Isaiah 19:25 ... the LORD of hosts has blessed, saying, “Blessed be Egypt my people, and Assyria the work of my hands, and Israel my inheritance.” I would like to make it very clear that the natural observation of this in-person appearance of Lucifer the devil most commonly known as Jesus the Christ, king of the Jews: this natural appearance of occurance does not eliminate nor does it restrict anything of “supernatural “ corrilations or interactions.

@Word I couldn't be bothered reading all that but it looks like a long winded attempt at explaining John 1;14. And the word became flesh. I am no biblical scholar but to me it is just an attempt to justify an earlier prophesy.

@Moravian no, replace biblical word "word" with modern understanding of Dawkins meme. The old testiment meme became flesh.

@Moravian think in the context of the evolution of a cognition organism a "meme" organism that develops it's own intellectual capabilities.

@Moravian The word meme itself is a neologism coined by Richard Dawkins, originating from his 1976 book The Selfish Gene.[12] Dawkins's own position is somewhat ambiguous. He welcomed N. K. Humphrey's suggestion that "memes should be considered as living structures, not just metaphorically"[12] and proposed to regard memes as "physically residing in the brain."[13] Although Dawkins said his original intentions had been simpler, he approved Humphrey's opinion and he endorsed Susan Blackmore's 1999 project to give a scientific theory of memes, complete with predictions and empirical support.[14]
[en.m.wikipedia.org].

@Moravian He welcomed N. K. Humphrey's suggestion that "memes should be considered as living structures, not just metaphorically"[12] and proposed to regard memes as "physically residing in the brain."[13] Although Dawkins said his

@Moravian and prophesy of old testiment is just part of what makes up the old testiment "meme" organism.

For just one example of scholar comparing old to new testiment : Paul Humber author of: 400 Prophecies, Appearances or Foreshadowings of Christ in the Tanakh (Old Testament). This shows us the purported life of Jesus in new testament was a repeat of old testiment”meme", or logos(thought, word, speech).

@Word I think you are tying yourself in knots trying to explain something which is not nearly as complex as you make out.
For example the Jesus story was contrived in several ways "to fulfill prophecy". a bit of reverse engineering there I think.

@Moravian the prophesies being first, was a part of the meme organism.

@Moravian know anything about psychology of eye witness testimony? It is a modern scientific understanding. The new testiment accounts follow with things modern science say eye witnesses will do. Like get some detailed information different between the eye witnesses. Do you think the biblical writers, 2000 years ago, were smart enough to have such eye witness contradictions within the different eye witness accounts?

@Word Get several eye witness testimonies to an incident and you will several different reports. Anyway there were no eye witness reports to the Jesus story. The first gospel was written some 70 years after the supposed death of Jesus.

@Moravian yes, even more reason why information from their memory is not as exacting.

@Moravian mind organism view that Judas betrayed Jesus to fulfill prophesy. So, it was not just Jesus character doing the activity to fulfill prophesy. The disciples, and other characters were as well influenced and controlled by mind organism.

@Moravian “ For example the Jesus story was contrived in several ways "to fulfill prophecy". a bit of reverse engineering there I think”

tbh i don’t think they were even trying to hide that; or just barely? Otherwise why pick a place—Nazareth—that no one lived in at the time? Why pick the most common male name at the time, Joshua? Jesus, of Nazareth (“of __” being a rabbinical acknowledgement, “Paul of Tarsus” etc) is likely a very handy way for a rabbi to say “John Doe, from Nowhere” (as others have noted)

“ Get several eye witness testimonies to an incident and you will several different reports. Anyway there were no eye witness reports to the Jesus story. The first gospel was written some 70 years after the supposed death of Jesus”

So, the q might be “how do you hip up a ppl who are convinced that they need a sacrifice, even though their book states plainly, many times, OT and NT, I desire mercy, not sacrifice?

Anyway, it’s all in there, even the virgin will be with child (the virgin being Athena) is a pointer

@bbyrd009 Detailed new research suggests that Nazareth, which according to Christian tradition is where Jesus grew up, was substantially bigger than previously thought, religiously very conservative and politically very anti-Roman. [google.com]

@bbyrd009 Good points. As it was a solely Jewish cult before being usurped by the gentiles all those things very very pertinent.

@Word i think it’s generally accepted that Nazareth was populated both before and after 1ad, but not during

@Moravian Richard Dawkins meme organism. The sacrafice was an Abraham prophesy. History shows child sacrifice was something done in Abrahamic times. Child sacrifice a meme mind organism like abortion today. Abraham didn't sacrifice Issac but said, or prophesied meme, "the lord will send himself as a sacrifice "

History and time is the graveyard of all gods. Those people's anger is their own problem.

No one has ever gone up to heaven...
The kingdom of heaven is within you

there, now you can Quote it to them from their own Book
(and boy, talk about angry! lol
and i mean “burn your house down” angry, ok?
not recommended iow)

Ah well that’s all anyone really has eh? Makes the current (altered) definition of “agnostic=doesn’t know if there is a God or not” kinda redundant, what? Go with the orig def, imo