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No, UFOs still aren't any more real than Santa Claus. UFOS ARE THE ANGELS OF OUR TIMES: [united-cats.com]

Druvius 8 May 18
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UFOs exist in theory but there certainly aren't any little green men.

Yes, the point is there are unidentified flying objects, as seen by credible people, including pilots. The question is, what are they? I'm always interested in credible terrestrial explanations. Problem is, the authorities no longer offer any.

@David1955 I'd love for evidence of aliens to be found. There has yet to be a UFO case that didn't have perfectly plausible explanations. Plenty of "credible" witnesses have seen ghosts and everything else under the Sun. Anecdotal evidence isn't evidence in any case. UFOs as aliens are the mythology of our time.

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For decades, Debunkers have been carrying water for the Military-Industrial Complex, although their role has been more like useful idiots. It's true the UFO community is consistent in being composed of lunatics, but that does not mean that what they say doesn't have some truth behind it. That truth does not merit the intimidation that is deployed when people see what the military can't handle.

And it won't be angels. UFO's will be denounced as demonic, as AATIP found when it sought clearance to brief Brennan and was refused.

There's nothing to debunk, there's yet to be a UFO case that needed to be debunked. UFO believers are no crazier than any humans who have believed in magical beings through the ages. If there's ever actual evidence that a UFO is some sort of non human constructed device, it will not only make the news, it will evince great scientific interest.

@Druvius Maybe we'll know more then the DNI/Pentagon report comes out.

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UFOs are anything flying and not identified. Your post is nonsensical.

Tejas Level 8 May 18, 2021

Agree with your first sentence, disagree with your second.

Yes, they are. And a whole lot of people believe that they are evidence of non human intelligence. Like the signing ape theory, it's popularly believed, but scientifically and rationally a fail so far.

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Well angels aren’t described in the Bible the way they’re painted.
More like wheels within wheels and they speak with the voice of many waters.
So more like a helicopter with a PA system.
Not that it means diddly squat.

True, my point is that UFOs as alien probes or craft is a mythological belief, like believing angels existed.

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Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

It would appear that the evidence is too extraordinary to release to the public. What happens when the government of, by and for the people, decides that the people can't handle the truth?

@racocn8 "too extraordinary to release" or, non-existent. Which is more likely?

@AnneWimsey The Pentagon has vouched as authentic five videos that leaked. Only two were generated under the AATIP program, and the program manager has said that 49 full reports were generated (as I recall the number). Ex-Sen. Harry Reid said that even those reports are only the tip of the iceberg and that a great deal more information remains classified. Even Obama has said that he can't say what he knows, and he probably wasn't even briefed. AND, while AATIP has been outed, the program under the auspices of Navel Intelligence remains fully secret.

@AnneWimsey Again, until I see decent evidence I remain highly skeptical, & if not an official "debunker", & certainly not "carrying-water" for any Gov't agency, I will continue to pooh-pooh this whole unlikely story. & this comes from a long time Science Fiction aficionado!
Would the Gov't lie if they thought they could get away with it. I have no doubt of that. But until I see better evidence color me an a-ufo-ist.

No one should disagree with that. But the fact is, a lot of stuff is seeping out now, and this subject is longer the domain of UFO nuts and their pseudo religion.

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