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So, I'm listening to one of the guys who tried to help pull that woman back in through the plane window.
He's been speaking for approximately 10 minutes, and so help me, he's said the word "god" at least 20 times already.
If his god was real, why did it allow that woman to die in such a random, horrific manner? Why did his god not prevent the event from even occurring? People like this, even when they've done something good, diminish themselves to me when they prattle on about their bullshit god. It renders them completely without credibility.

KKGator 9 Apr 19
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It is a complete mystery.
In my own case I've survived death by physical means on quite a few occasions, and have the scars to prove it. When someone tries to give god the credit, I ask them if perhaps I should also give god the credit for the event and the damage and pain I suffered each time.
Whilst convalescing, I have never thanked god, but I have made a point afterwards of thanking any people who helped, like the passing smuggler who rescued me late at night and took me to hospital on one occasion, at his own expense, and never accepted payment of any sort. Here was an "evil" man, doing good not because he was pious, but because he respected life.

Exactly!

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... & moreover:

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Yeah, lack of self worth with that guy. I do think some people say it out of habit due to years of social conditioning regardless of a religious upbringing or not.

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Some people need that God crutch. Without God, to them, life would be meaningless and death would be horrifying. It's a psychological coping thing. How else could they account for what happened to them? They are oblivious to the facts and the Science. It's all they have. They think that showing this belief and sharing it is what is expected of them. They are told to witness. I know this all too well. I live in a place that these people dwell. Sometimes I want to crawl in a hole and hide from the insanity.

Polly Level 4 Apr 19, 2018

I live in the South, I know it, too. Doesn't mean I have to respect it. Legally, I only have to tolerate it, to a point. I'm not going to hide from it. I'll confront it when it's in my face.

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why did he even try and help if its Gods will?

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I'm so tired of people thinking that their own religious beliefs should be respected without question by everyone without a word when they speak about it in public.
Most people will do it too.

Organized religions have this invisible barrier around them even when they commit the most horrific acts.
People have been trained for a very long time to believe that their own god is responsible for saving, but they can't seem to see it from the viewpoint of why their god allowed it.

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What on Earth are you talking about? What woman? What plane? Link?

Southwest airlines flight. Engine failure. Metal fatigue. Pieces of shrapnel ripped into the fuselage, broke a window. A woman was partially sucked out. She died. It's been all over the news for the last 48 hours.

@KKGator Oh wow. That sounds awful.

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Her death of course would be gods choice...

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Imagine only one person passed away but the other passengers are all save
There is no right or wrong
Like they say death do not wait it just comes and comes it’s own time

Rosh Level 7 Apr 19, 2018

The main reason there was only one fatality is because the pilots did their jobs, the damage wasn't worse, and a bunch of other random occurrences.

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I heard him and thought the same thing.

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lol

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Sometimes the "God" serves as a filler word which is already annoying but when he's praised for saving the day, Give me a break.
It's like when a professional athlete gives credit to (his) God or a soldier that kills an ennemy on the battle field. How ironic, cruel and selfish is this invisible friend of them?

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I'd love to see an experiment whereby someone divided groups into seriously devout and non-believers (leaving the middle-of-the-roaders out of it) and looked at the frequency with which they won the lottery/had a serious and debilitating car accident/developed terminal cancer. I believe it would prove once and for all that believing in and praising God does not improve the odds of good things or reduce the odds of bad things happening to you (though perhaps in some way, the belief itself could have a minor influence - a sort of placebo effect.) Maybe once and for all, they'd accept that even if their god exists, he/she has no influence or does not care to exercise any influence over the stuff that randomly happens to people in this life.

All that would remain would be the promise of better treatment for believers in the afterlife.

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Is God responsible for Evil?

Amos 3:6 KJV
Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the Lord hath not done it?

1Kings 22:23 KJV
Now therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil concerning thee.

2Kings 22:16
Thus saith the Lord, Behold, I will bring evil upon this place, and upon the inhabitants thereof, even all the words of the book which the king of Judah hath read:

Isaiah 63:17
O Lord, why hast thou made us to err from thy ways, and hardened our heart from thy fear? Return for thy servants' sake, the tribes of thine inheritance.

I think Scripture testifies that God is responsible for evil.

IF gods were real, and IF the "holy" books were accurate, then yes, 'god' would be responsible for evil.
However, since none of that has any basis in fact or reality, it's all pointless.

I know...you are correct. For many years, as a Christian, I could always find an appropriate verse. It's a habit I have to break. @KKGator

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Well, duh. But I suppose he was traumaized and using religion to try to make sense of it, and stay in denial.

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Same.

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Sigh.......I get this from my Da all the time.
'When you are in real trouble you will call out his name because it helps'.How, exactly does wasting your breath like that work ????
I want to be in a situation where I can call out 'For the love of Loki/ Zeus/ Poseidon - HELP US !!!' and watch the reaction.

Poor woman and her family, though. Wrong place, wrong time and sheer bad luck.

Tilia Level 7 Apr 19, 2018

Sometimes I will say "Dawkins save us".

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