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Maybe the most pernicious legacy of the American culture is its epistemic individualism: It is first and foremost the individual who decides what is true. Each person is epistemologically sovereign, just like the USA are politically sovereign.

Martin Luther believed that a Christian does not need an intermediary (i.e. priests) to find God, and most Americans are convinced that no person needs an intermediary (scientists, scholars, journalists etc...) to know the truth.
By the way: This parallel is no coincidence.

If I know that something is true, then it is true. And how do I know this? I know it if I truly feel it.
And if I need further justification (that´s optional, not necessary), I can find other people who feel the same. In this case the epistemology is no longer individualistic but tribal, which is even worse, because a tribal truth is an unassailable fortress.

(To flesh this out, I could mention some of these tribal truths, from the left or the right, but knowing that some members of this site hold these truths to be self-evident, I prefer not to get insulted.)

Matias 8 Oct 20
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One of the few truths that I personally hold to be self evident is the concept of equality, as espoused by the author of the Declaration of Independence and the Framers of the Constitution of the United States. That we as individuals [initially meant for white male property owners, but later expanded and applied to all] have a right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, and that We the People are our own sovereigns, as opposed to the throne or the altar, were bold, and yes, pernicious ideas in the 18th century.

Sovereignty over our own persons, both mind and body, is not a negative that of necessity leads to a rejection of expertise, experience and authoritative knowledge. That said, the freedom to choose does not ensure wisdom in decision making. Some choose to join up with a questionable group.

It is the tribalism you’ve described which I find truly pernicious. Tribal truths become doctrine, and the behavior of tribes much like a religion. Peer pressure and tribal identity often overcome one’s own epistemological individualism, and the results can be widespread and catastrophic. Personally, I would be much happier with a little more introspection and self examination over surrendering one’s epistemological independence to a tribal identity.

“This above all: to thine own self be true,
And it must follow, as the night the day,
Thou canst not then be false to any man.”

@Matias Eloquently stated, and well taken. To this I can only add that within a community there have been and continue to be those who possess superior intellect, talent or creativity to that of their peers. Geniuses like Newton, Mozart and Einstein are obvious examples, but obvious to whom? Many, if not most of us, lack the understanding—the basic of vocabulary, if you will—to articulate why these men were considered geniuses, even in their time.

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Thank goodness for epistemic individualism because individuals can exercise their own autonomy and decide what they want to believe or not believe. The so-called scientists, scholars, journalists, etc., are humans with imperfections and biases. For example, I would not take serious a scholar in gender studies or someone with a PhD in theology. Also, it seems to me that you are trying to criticize postmodernism, which came out of academia during the 1970s with scholars like Michel Foucault, Jacques Derrida, and Jean-Francois Lyotard. Postmodernism attacks meta narratives and language itself. Individuals carving their own niche are what has made this country great. So what are you wanting to replace individualism with? Brutalist conformity.

Science is based on evidence, and not on individual belief. Most of us don’t have the know-how to gather or analyze evidence, so we rely on scientific experts to guide us. Individual epistemology has gone too far in this country and is wreaking havoc in this pandemic. The glorification of individual may be our path to ruin.

@Gmak no. Glorification of individuals is what gives us our dignity. If anything can tell you about science is that science changes whenever new evidence contradicts a previous hypothesis. Scientists are not infallible entities: they are human beings with their own biases and prone to err. Are you advocating a society ruled by philosopher kings like out of Plato’s “Republic?” Allowing for individuals to pursue their own dreams has led to more feats of discovery than anything else in the world. Last time I checked, Thomas Edison did not get permission from a collective in order to invent the electric light bulb.

@Heavykevy1985 Germ theory is surely here to stay. So are natural selection and genetic drift as explanations for the fact of evolution (allelic frequencies in a population changing over generational time). Darwin’s notion of pangenesis didn’t fare so well as Mendel inspired the field of genetics.

But science can go down dark paths. The notion of eugenics as expounded by race replacement propagandist Madison Grant in the US of A and sterilization placed in the state law books and supported in Buck v Bell all inspired Hitler and the Nazis.

@Heavykevy1985, @Matias Fallibility is a keystone of science. Views that are well supported are still considered tentative. Popper’s notion of falsification, which has it’s own serious shortcomings (see Duhem-Quine thesis), emphasized such fallibility in that ideas should be held at arm’s length.

@Matias Science is not built on consensus. Science is not based on a popularity contest neither. You are straying away from the OP on why we should abolish the epistemic individualism to discussing the scientific method. Rationalism and empiricism are not the enemies of each other but ways we can find the truth. Just because people like Dr. Fauci say we should wear masks and get a vaccine does not make it right. You have failed to demonstrate why individuals should subordinate their will to a collective

@Matias, @Scott321 and the US defeated Nazi Germany. What’s your point in bringing that up except to say “fuck America?” The Nazis took their cues from Thomas Malthus and David Ricardo too. Any idea can be turned malevolent.

@Scott321 Grant was also a leading conservationist and of course, these ideas are from progressives like him.

@Heavykevy1985 And Republicans freed the slaves where Southern Democrats were vile racists who fled to the Republican party after civil and voting rights legislation and Nixon’s Southern Strategy. Centrist Clinton tried to woo the last of the boll weevils on a campaign stop at Klan shrine Stone Mountain. Democrat Zell Miller appeared at a Republican convention. See the trend?

Oh and give up on making sense of polysemic “liberal” given its meaning shifts. In other words AOC and Bernie can’t be tagged with what progressives stood for in the early 1900s just as Republicans can no longer claim to take pride in Emancipation and failed Reconstruction. Not the same party. Goldwater and Reagan were mild compared to the current crop.

@Scott321 AOC and Bernie sure considering like the Progressives of old, they do not mind playing identity politics. Also, AOC supports equity programs like the progressives of old like minimum wage. Lyndon Johnson even said himself with his Great Society program “I will have the niggers voting Democrat for the next 200 years.” So far, he has been right. Maybe you ought to look up Democrat Plantation. It just has been repackaged as keeping the poor dependent on welfare bread crumbs. By the way, still have not disproven individualism and not given a substitute for it.

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"The fanatic is perpetually incomplete and insecure. He cannot generate self-assurance out of his individual resources -- out of his rejected self -- but finds it only by clinging passionately to whatever support he happens to embrace. This passionate attachment is the essence of his blind devotion and religiosity, and he sees in it the source of all virtue and strength.... He easily sees himself as the supporter and defender of the holy cause to which he clings. And he is ready to sacrifice his life." - Eric Hoffer

“Give people pride and they’ll live on bread and water, bless their exploiters, and even die for them. Self-surrender is a transaction of barter: we surrender our sense of human dignity, our judgment, our moral and esthetic sense for pride. If there is pride in being free we are ready to die for liberty. If there is pride to be derived from an identification with a leader, we grovel in the dust before a Napoleon, Hitler or Stalin and are ready to die for him. If there is distinction in suffering, we search for martyrdom as for hidden treasure." - Eric Hoffer

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Your description of individual truths for Americans is exactly as I see it. The people I have met from foreign countries seem to have the same tendency. I think what you describe is universal and not just American. Perhaps in America it is more open and less hidden because of our constitutional rights.

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I am an identical twin. Her tribe believes in God, the current trump gop version of republican "democracy", Dr. Fauci helped create the COVID-19 virus and Hillery is trafficking children for sex. I believe her bull shit meter broke years ago.
I have a pretty functional bull shit meter, quit going to church when I was 12 and was over joyed to find this site. Our Dad was raised Catholic but left the religion and any idea that he should as the youngest male (6 kids in the family) become a priest. He was atheist/agnostic and thought the Bible was a good story.
Dialog with my sister is frustrating and sort of sad.

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I heard a reference to a movement based on this idea in an article I read. That was the only time I heard mention of it, so I know next to nothing about it.

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So drinking a deadly poison because you "know" it will not hurt you is "true?"

Sounds like the cult mindset.

Snake-handling, poison drinking, church members still die.

@Diagoras Yes, of course, I am also criticizing the tribal mindsets. Speaking to a couple, the wife was a believer and the husband was not, a subject came up that was against her "truth", her immediate knee-jerk reaction was to say, "That's not true!" All of us couldn't help but look with embarrassment at her. She then says, "Well, I know it's true, I just don't want it to be true."

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This is all exactly correct. I have come to believe this is also why time travel (past or future) will never become a reality. Who's past are you going to travel to? Exactly what the past is and was is something embeded into the minds of each of us. Therefore, the subject becomes subjective and there is not nor ever will be objective time travel. This is also why we have so much trouble with religions. All religious truth is subjective truth. It cannot be any other way.

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Facts are not subject to true/false subjectivity.

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The obnoxious prosperity gospel is a good example of the greed that permeates society.

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You are correct. American culture has always been infested with extreme libertarianism. At different times in our history that has become a great problem.

"infested"?

@Alienbeing Yes.

@wordywalt Political movements are not infestation Your attitude stinks.

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Impersonal scientism is no less a problem. All not in pursuit of objective truth is devalued: ethics, fiction (literature), or subjective personal experience. In the parlance of Critical Theory we see an overbearing instrumental reason where people themselves are objectified and made into means and not ends in themselves.

One need only look at the Tuskegee and Guatemala syphilis research programs to see this tendency in action. Most people are unaware of the horrors perpetrated in Guatemala. Or consider the use of disabled children at the Willowbrook State School for hepatitis experiments.

@Matias Fiction can exert great power in molding intersubjectivity which itself can then move toward change of aspects of objective reality. Fiction critical of the status quo can inspire a mood for change for better or worse.

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