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I'm gonna share something with you about stranger danger and abuse by people you know - etc....

Feels like a PSA - but I got the feeling from last night's conversation in another thread that some of you don't know this stuff.

I think parents need to be mindful that they teach all their children some caution.
Also that assaulting other people is not okay. (Except in self defense or defense of others).

I can honestly say there is no preventing all horrible situations. I have personal experience.

Also for some of these further down be aware I'm 5 ft 8 inches tall and was about 155lbs in college. So not a tiny female who might look like easy prey.

5th grade - an old guy offered me a candy bar to get into his car on the way to school. I laughed - and said "No thank you" and kept walking. (Training all students received on not getting in a car with strangers). Did I tell anyone? No. They didn't tell us to do that! (I bet they do now).

I was almost dragged into a car at the age of 13 by two very chemically altered 20 somethings. Hometown - broad daylight - on a street I'd walked 1000s of times. Screamed my lungs out - my Dad hollered from up the road - guys took off. (He happened to be gardening in the front yard). Also no one had heard of mace yet. (That would have been 1977).

College broad daylight on bridge to Campus and a couple guys in the back of a pickup truck - tried to pull me off the sidewalk over a railing. Again other people around. (1983). The crowd prevented that.

(1984) I was out with girlfriends - at a restaurant/bar with my friend's Elvis impersonator brother. Agreed to dance with a guy and he tried to drag me off the dance floor by my forearms to his car (He told me what he intended - I so wish the police had been called - but we were being told "That's normal drunk behavior". WTF?) - I pulled a self defense move that made everyone come running.
Also watching Elvis rushing to defend you is a once in a lifetime experience, (One hopes).

Actually assaulted and thrown into a wall? My own relative. I pulled mace - we called the police and pressed charges. (Hard thing to do). Got him some help and no further issues. I blocked him from harming his own little brother - I'd do it again. Even if I knew advanced self defense I think I would have still been thrown - I was shocked. (I was outweighed considerably and had no room to maneuver either).
Recovered pretty darn fast though.

If a family or friend situation is escalating? Make everyone take a breather! (If possible).

Stranger danger exists. It exists for everyone. If you are going to be out alone at night at least carry mace.

Remember that you are most likely to be harmed by those close to you. It shocked me beyond belief.
And I'd worked at a Battered Women's Shelter! I knew those stats. Still just didn't comprehend it.

Also childhood sexual abuse? It will be someone the parents know and trust. Almost exclusively.

They now have gel mace. Also mace with added dye so the PD can trace it when the person shows up for treatment. (Amazon and elsewhere).

Don't put it in a purse - put it in your pocket and carry it in your hand when walking.

I took yet another self defense class and got licensed for Mace when I had two restraining orders against former clients who'd threatened my life at that point. (Other counselors and a Psychologist also prosecuted).

If anyone threatens your safety? Report it to the police. There are no second chances for that behavior, Remember when I was young we didn't know that was the appropriate response (obviously).

I've always equally worried about a Man being alone at night as a Women alone at night.
I know - my parents were advanced for their time.

I once saw my brother keep two big musclebound meat heads from beating the crap out of each other when drunk. He's 5ft 7in and about 150lbs, I had the shakes afterwards.

There's being smart and there is being perpetually afraid. Choose the former.

RavenCT 9 Apr 24
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You are a brave and resilient person. What you have shared will help many people.

Here, the police are pretty much useless and you can be charged for using Mace even in self-defense 😟

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Wow! That behavior was savage! Thanks for sharing.

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I work with children, all of whom at least have a language delay. Parents will tell their children to hug me, etc., and I'm ALWAYS telling them that it is the choice of the child. I try not to force physical contact for anything other than safety reasons.

Yes. Absolutely.

I have grand nieces and nephews and they're very young. I will say "Want a hug or a high five?".

In your position? You are absolutely right.

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Powerful and important.

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THIS! All of this. If this was Facebook, I'd be sharing the crap out of this information. Thank you.

Duke Level 8 Apr 24, 2018

Feel free to copy and share. My real name isn't on it. 😉

I can't post stuff like this to FB as there was a family member involved and we've reconciled. Anger management training is a real thing.

@RavenCT This is why we need a "LOVE" button here.

@Duke ❤

@RavenCT Same. You make me get all emotional and some junk.

@RavenCT Now, stop making me love you.

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Thank you for sharing that. I'm so glad you got out of those situations. Your bravery and strength are impressive.

TY - I don't feel particularly brave though? lol

But it seems like a lot of people don't get that this happens. And it just needs to be out there.

@RavenCT You are so right. It needs to be out there with periodic reminders. At my work today we had a short video on human trafficking and I'm a bus mechanic. Never thought that would have happened at this place. Maybe we are making some progress.

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Good advice. And if you ever run into scum like this and happen to be carrying and you have the opportunity, do the world a favor and give 'em a new asshole right in the middle of their forehead.

Mace is great and all, but pieces of shit like this need to be six feet under so they don't waste tax payer money. There's no substitute for dead.

Yeah well I would end up in prison but? lol

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If you are ever in danger don't bother yelling "Help" or "Rape", yell "Fire", for that one people come running.

Kimba Level 7 Apr 24, 2018

That's what I've always been taught!

@LetzGetReal That's what we were taught - someone younger with more recent self-defense training was taught to yell "Call 911".

With the prevalence of cell phones it might be more effective?

@RavenCT I'd be sticking with "Fire" for two reasons. Even if they do "call 911" they may then just shelter out of harms way until emergency services arrive which may be of little after the fact. And two "the bystander effect" everybody assumes someone else will do something so nobody does anything but in the case of fire there is personal salience, "Will the building they are in catch? Is it coming their way?" so everybody acts, they come out to see where it is, they make the call, rather than huddle behind their curtains.

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Good post. I used to do a lot of security work...by myself...for a while I had a friend of mine, Dogboy, who worked with me...he was about 120lbs 5'4"...taught him how to not be a dick but at the same time be assertive while be engaging. He never had a problem, and we did a lot of nasty violent shows...I hated working as a contractor for other people...their rules caused more problems then it solved.

I worked Security for buildings in College. Other than the typical 80's comments from guys of the time - never had a problem?
Some weird stories though! lol

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Try to avoid these situations. I've had some close calls myself.

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I'm sorry to say most females and some males ie children are always at risk from birth to death.

Yup still not sure how this might be changed. We are educating about abuse better then we did. (I've been told).

@RavenCT its sadly a mans world. I think governments should be forced to be 505 women myself. I can't see it happening.

@LeighShelton What's 505?

@RavenCT sorry i meant 50% lol

@LetzGetReal i hope so

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Great post! "Also childhood sexual abuse? It will be someone the parents know and trust. Almost exclusively." Yeah, who would suspect the Sunday School teacher's teenage son! No one. It was that openly gay guy next door you had to worry about! Yeah, right. Never had a problem with him, but the Christian family's teenage son, living on the other side of us, "LOVED" the little boys in town (I wasn't the only one). I was eight.

Sorry to hear that.

My town had one Catholic Priest who abused boys - and one Catholic Priest who abused girls. Two different Churches.
They were not strangers to the parents to be sure.
Yes I have that t-shirt.

A friend's son was abused by his Daycare provider's son.
At least when she found out she alerted parents. (Modern times).

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Mmm... Commendable, but far too simplistic.

Adults that groom children to sexually abuse them are far more subtle than the instances you describe above. By the time a child realises that they have been groomed it is far too late and the abuser has all the power. Usually with some sort of 'evidence' to bribe the child with, and of course no-one will believe you, or your pet will die or similar threats.

It is often down to the adults to recognise the signs of grooming and take action - not easy in most circumstances.

If I'd gotten into the full child abuse threat - we'd have been here for days. So yes you're correct I did simplify.

I do believe it helps if the adults know it's almost NEVER a stranger.

Agreed, and I commend you for your honesty in the post - it is a subject that many find taboo, or too ashamed to talk about. Especially as many children blame themselves for the abuse they have suffered.

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