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Trump refuses to call Putin's actions in Ukraine war crimes. He instead bad-talks NATO and changes the subject.

Flyingsaucesir 8 Apr 15
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Of course not that's his master

bobwjr Level 10 Apr 16, 2022
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There is a reason why the Tangerine Turd is so called.

Pukin and the Tangerine Turd...what a pair of slime balls.

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Then there was the time when Trump notified Pukin ahead of time about some Syria bombings so the Russians could get their planes out of the way.

Good point! 😎👍

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I just wish the Yanks could get it right, for once. They charge into Vietnam, a quagmire where they weren't wanted and fucked it up. They charge into Afganistan, so divided that a quagmire was certain, fuck it up and leave with their tails between their legs. They charge into Iraq, another divided quagmire where they weren't wanted, another fuck up, another quagmire. Add numerous other countries where they have bombed and killed and left a quagmire. And now, here we have Ukraine, where the people desperately fight for independence, and would welcome Americans and NATO with open arms like the countries in Europe in WW2, throwing flowers at the GIs as they arrive, but NO, we can't go into there because Putin might resort to atomic bombs, so the Ukrainians struggle alone with 'support'. Kennedy stood up to the Soviet Union; Biden needs to stand up to Putin. That's what you do with bullies. Stand up to him now, or it will only get worse.

Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq. . . false equivalence(s)

IMO, the solidarity of NATO is is a good thing, especially now.
[nato.int]

How would YOU 'stand-up-to' (Putin) a NUCLEAR "bully" ?
(without getting China involved)

@FearlessFly Good response! He definitely draws a false equivalence and ignores facts on the ground. With our "support" the Ukrainians are doing a bang-up job on their own.

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  1. It's MSNBC, so you expect a hit piece on Trump.
  2. That was in 2015!
BD66 Level 8 Apr 15, 2022

The interview with Hannity was just the other day.

@Flyingsaucesir Trump has already described Putin's actions as "genocide".

It is not necessary for Trump, or anyone else, to be forced to launch into an anti-Putin tirade whenever prompted. He has other issues he wants to address as well.

@BD66 Nobody asked him to go into a tirade. It was a simple yes-or-no question, and he totally dodged it. But you're right, he has other things to think about. Like how to keep his criminal ass out of jail.

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I am no fan of Trump, but he is spot on on this issue. The MSM . . . . bla, bla, bla, piles up the bull shit. Who fucked up Iraq, based on false pretenses? Who is supporting Saudia Arabia as it bombs the hell out of Yemen? Who fucked up Libya, under false pretenses and commited the war crime of bombing their aquifier? Who accused Assad of using chemicals weapons as an excuse to invade Syria? Just in case you forgot how much you were lied to . . .
[newsweek.com]

The US-brokered coup in Ukraine:.
Obama admitting his role in the US-supported coup in Ukraine, a war crime. (First video link below).
Victoria Nuland, Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs at the United States Department of State, admits in the second video that the USA supported the Ukrainian coup with 5 billion dollars. Note the Chevron symbol in the background of the video. John McCain (Senator Lovewar himself) and Victoria Nuland were in Ukraine in December 2013 amid the mass anti-government protests. (The third video is of John McCain in Ukraine addressing protesters.) During the visit, McCain met with Ukrainian opposition leaders in the country’s capital of Kiev, voicing his support for the protests, adding that he saw Ukraine’s future with Europe.
Biden's youngest son, Hunter Biden was hired to the board of Burisma Holdings, Ukraine’s largest private gas producer.
The proxy Ukraine war is all about energy. The Eastern part of Ukraine is the major oil and gas producing region of Ukraine accounting for approximately 90 per cent of Ukrainian production and according to EIA (The American Energy Information Administration) may have 42 tcf (trillion cubic feet) of shale gas resources technically recoverable from 197 tcf of risked shale gas in place.
George Soros is heavily invested in Ukraine . . . . to the tune of about one billion dollars.
Obama admits the US-sponsored coup:

Victoria Nuland . . . 5 Billion recently, with Chevron symbol behind her
John McCain in Ukraine addressing protesters
John McCain and Lindsey Graham in Ukraine, encouraging Ukrainian soldiers to take Donesk, contrary to the Minsk Agreements
And these bastards blames Russia, when it was their coup that started it all?

[ronpaulinstitute.org]

How much more do you need to realize you have been lied to repeatedly, incessantly?

I think what you are calling a "Ukrainian coup" was what most of us know as their Orange Revolution, where they kicked out a Putin puppet regime and chose their own path forward. They stumbled a bit, continued to have trouble with corruption, then recently elected Zelensky. He made a little headway in cleaning things up, was stymied by the old guard, but never gave up. Then Putin invaded, and here we are. A fledgling democracy is fighting for its life. Had he remained in office, Trump would have held up aid to Ukraine even more than he did in his one disastrous term.

You also alluded to the fiasco in Iraq, correctly pointing out that we went in under false pretenses. Who's fingerprints are on that? Those of George W. Bush, Dick Cheyne, Condoleeza Rice, and Donald Rumsfeld, aka the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse.

You dare to cite Ron Paul Institute to me? That little shit is a certified wack-job if there was one.

PS: Assad did use chemical weapons in Syria. No question about that. And Putin bombed hospitals, schools, and private homes there, just like he's doing right now in Ukraine. He's a war criminal, no doubt about that.

[newsweek.com]

You are doing nothing more than parroting, repeating lies you have heard from the mainstream media, and, obviously, you did not bother to even look at the clear evidence in my previous post. So Newsweek is lying?

Had you actually bothered to look over what I posted, or, had you actually looked up the ACTUAL UN report on Chemical weapons use in Syria, you would not be so ignorantly claiming that Assad used chemical weapons. There is NOTHING whatsoever in the UN report that says Assad used chemical weapons. Look it up.
As for the fucking "fledgling democracy, it is going to end up exactly like all of the other countries the USA interferes with or invades . . . . Libya . . . destroyed, and if that is a democracy now, they are sure hiding it well . .. .. Iraq . . . . in shambles, and certainly not a democracy . . .. .Afghanistan, same as Iraq,.

The real war criminals are right here in the USA, and if you have not figured that out yet, then you are a very incompetent investigator, and very slow learner. The worst part about it, is that YOU are supporting these war criminals, out of ignorance, because you are to lazy to check things out for yourself, rather than just parrot the mainstream media.

ὁι ἀμαθεις ὡσπερ ἐν πελαγει και νυκτι φερονται ἐν τω βιω.

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Just try to imagine what would have happened if Trump stayed in office. Trump would not have sent any additional weapons to Ukraine unless forced to by Congress and, under the circumstances, that wouldn't happen. So Ukraine would have fallen and Putin would be looking for his next victim. And let's not forget that Trump arranged the withdrawal from Afghanistan before Biden got into office. Trump SHOULD get most of the credit for that fiasco instead of Biden. Finally, where do you think we'd be with the vaccine? I'm pretty sure Trump would have found a way to screw that up too.

I think you have a pretty good take on the situation ✔️✔️✔️

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I only read about what he said, or accept what I hear in the conversation about it, and don't listen to him. So this should make him pretty easy to beat, eh? If not we should be blown up.

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