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@alienbeing claims that...

"Is English a second language for you?"


"Is English is a second language for you?"

... are both proper English.

I claimed the first one is correct but the second one isn't.

But as @alienbeing correctly points out, English is my second language. ๐Ÿ˜

So poor little old loquacious me needs to reach out to native speakers in order to validate the efficacy of my english education.

What say you, agnostic hivemind?

Which is proper english?

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TheMiddleWay 8 Apr 28

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Is the word grace in your vocabulary? If you understand what was meant by the question and its intent, then just let it go. Why nitpick?

I don't think any of us are here on this site for language or grammar lessons. I like to think that understanding people and their intentions is more important than if the language is perfectly written.

For example, I know how to speak and type proper English, but it doesn't always come out my mouth and fingertips totally perfect, and sometimes what I think I type isn't what presents itself on the screen. I like to think caring folks will give me a bit of grace on that.

I can't speak to what ever quibbles you might have with other posters and commenters. When a quibble is over the use of the word "is" then I'm guessing the quibble goes deeper than grammar.

When a quibble is over the use of the word "is" then I'm guessing the quibble goes deeper than grammar.

Bingo bango sure does.
On two fronts.
There's absolutely no reason to doubt my English fluency.
Zero. None.
Hence when someone who is already, shall we say, salty with me asks me if English is my second language... Which in point of fact it is!... Its clearly as an insult. And when someone asks me that, and commits a grammatical mistake whether on purpose or as a typo in doing so well, that's always amusing to me and I suspect to others.

The second front is that confronted with that typo, they went ahead and doubled down and claimed that both versions were correct. So rather than just own up to an English grammatical mistake while trying to insult my English fluency, he doubled down and legitimately tried to gaslight me into believing that both versions were the same! Ha!


The correct answer is: "Is English is a second is language is for you is?"

Nailed it.


QuillBot AI prefers it to be quoted as :
" Do you speak English as a second language?"
( or " E.S.L.." ?).

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Maybe just a type-o.

Betty Level 7 Apr 28, 2022

Very likely.

But then why go on to claim that both versions are correct? ๐Ÿคท

@TheMiddleWay Don't know. Does it really merit an argument?

When there are only two people in the discussion and both claim to be right, the only way to break the deadlock is to bring a third or more people in.

Alienbeing tries to gaslight me into thinking that both are correct forms of the English language. Clearly I can't say anything to break the gas light so, well, I bring it up to the community and see what they think!

@TheMiddleWay Good luck in your quest, wish I could help.

The near unanimous affirmation of proper English on this thread completes the quest quite nicely. ๐Ÿ˜‰


i like it if it provokes the grammar nazi types. i is in favor of it. which language is your first?


I think you are both being insufferable for arguing about a misplaced "is". I think it's inappropriate to call someone out by name publicly, especially over something so petty.

He tries to ESL-shame me? ๐Ÿ˜ฎ

I'll let him EFL-shame himself! ๐Ÿ˜

@TheMiddleWay So you had to start a separate thread to shame him?

I'm not shaming him.
His words shame him.

@TheMiddleWay Not on this thread he didn't.

@barjoe Eh, sometimes you gotta give it back to assholes like @Alienbeing...

@ChestRockfield I don't like to pile on to people. I had it done to me when I first came on the agnostic dot com website so I try not to do that.


When you can't win an argument and attack any little thing you can to make yourself feel better. That's this post

Tejas Level 7 Apr 28, 2022

Depends on if they defended the position or admit to the mistake. I didnโ€™t see the conversation, but he has displayed a little bit of a belligerent streak in my few engagements with him.

@Garban to be fair I would defend a typo mistake on this website. For some reason words and or letters dissappear due to poor coding or lack of updates. It's happened to me many times. Especially so in my bio, I'll fix an error and two to three more will pop up in parts I didn't change.

@Tejas you are correct. Iโ€™ve had numbers especially disappear. However, Iโ€™ve never seen a word added. But it wouldnโ€™t surprise me.

@Garban yeah it seems to mostly be numbers. I use my phone 100% of the time too, so spellchecker can make or break some words


@Alienbeing blocked me, so I'm reasonably confident he's a fuckin' idiot.

Alien being takes himself very seriously and does not need any encouragement in that regard as he is doing exceedingly well on his own, so I blocked him. ๐Ÿ™‚


A typo is not an indication of language, it is an indication of typing skills.


Anyway, Being multilingual is Awesome, doesn't matter what's your mother tongue, it's just a tool! honestly, my English skill Sucks indeed ๐Ÿ˜€ however, I think, Typo and Poor Skill are 2 different things

Diaco Level 7 Apr 28, 2022

There will always be those who if they cannot find fault with your argument will look for something to find fault with it is as though their very life depended upon it.

But even a typo when trying to insult someone for their purported lack of English skills is just too precious not to share!


The best thing to do to a lawyer is to take advantage of his mistakes. After all, its common practice for them and if itโ€™s good enough for them why should they be excluded.


I can't stress this enough: if you're going to try and insult someone because English is their second language, for fucks sake at least proofread! ๐Ÿ™‚

You mean โ€œfor fuckโ€™s sakeโ€.๐Ÿ˜‰

I was wondering about that.
Didn't know if the saying was based on a plurality of fucks or a fuck's possessive nature.

The comment as not a insult, it was a question because you didn't follow the "conversation" suck it up.

Now for the REAL insult, you love to bicker about nothing, making you a dull person.

@TheMiddleWay I always thought it was similar to "for Christ's sake"...

@Alienbeing โ€œa dull personโ€? Seriously?

@Garban Yes, I find his bickering dull and annoying at the same time.

I don't think a respose to you is important enough to proof read.

For the sake of christ.
For the sake of fuck.

I like that.
Makes sense.


Someone claiming to be both an alien and a native? ๐Ÿ˜€

skado Level 9 Apr 28, 2022

He's a retired lawyer. ๐Ÿ˜

@skado A native what? Why do you ask?


He's high again.

Is he high is again?๐Ÿ˜‰

@Garban I wish.




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