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Does anyone else find it bizarre how countries like The US and the UK try and call the shots on other Countries weaponary discoveries, especially nuclear? Since they went through developing these themselves and exploded them in various places how come they get to tell other Countries that they can't do so?

girlwithsmiles 8 Apr 27
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Yes but we hope out of experience. What we must do as a part of the nuclear club is assure those without heir their sovereignty is assured. But of course we won't do that.

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Not necessarily bizarre no. The US has over 800 military bases across the globe. My research regarding our history and our path forward shows me that America is not a new country at all (We are under maritime laws which have their roots in ancient history??). The conspiracy for world domination is real. Since the beginning of written history it is evident that the wealthiest have been systematically using force to take the power and resources from EVERYONE but too many people dismiss that idea without even looking into it!

I'm not sure if they dismiss it, but probably feel impotent to change things, unless you're a revolutionary and blood and guts really isn't my thing.

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Simple. Those with power don't want to relinquish that power.

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This gets less funny as the years go by

@TheInterlooper me too

Owh, can't watch it 😟

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You're advocating more nuclear weapons? The level of hate that some countries have towards others -- I would think that they would launch if provoked. I would rather all nuclear weapns go away. However, I accept that as time passes anyone who wants one will have it. This action by the so-called 'nuclear' nations is simply as holding pattern -- I would guess in hopes that the ones who want these weapons can handle the responsibility to not use them. MAD -- Mutually Assured Destruction.

I did not get the impression she was advocating for nukes but wants to know why the US and UK think it is okay for them (us) to have them while at the same time doing everything to prevent other countries from being able to. I got the impression is was more about what right do we have to tell other people not to do what we ourselves are doing, lke someone preaching about the ills of smoking with a cig hanging from their mouth.

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The Non-Proliferation Treaty has been signed by 191 countries.
It seems a little tendentious to name just two of them as the villains of the peace.

Here are the details of the agreement on Wiki: [en.wikipedia.org]
There are 195 Countries and 4 of those with Nuclear Arms have not signed. So if your information is correct that's hardly a Country that's not signed but still almost 50% of those armed that are not signed.

@girlwithsmiles That's what I was getting at. Surely the problem lies with countries like Pakistan, North Korea, Israel and India who are outside the NPT - membership of which is voluntary - not those that support or enforce it.

@Gareth There don't seem to be any problems with those Countries at the moment, India have had theirs since 1974 and seem as stable as ever. Israel scares me, mainly due to their terrible violence with Palestine, but they seem to be very closely linked to the US and so perhaps are safer than I feel.

@girlwithsmiles The problem is not Israel but Iran. The Israelis have have it for decades and so far... Iran has openly declared it wants to wipe Israel off the map. Whatever your views on Palestine it is not healthy for Iran to get nukes.

@273kelvin agreed, if they destroy Israel where will all the Palestinians live when they finally escape the Gaza strip?

@girlwithsmiles Iran does not really care about the Palestinians. They support ISIS who are sworn enemies of Hamas. It more internal politics in Iran.

@273kelvin it was internal until the US set up bases and then ISIS turned on the west 😟

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It's similar to the highest (unwritten) rule of Poker. A Smith and Wesson beats four aces.

Ohh my I absolutely love this response! Perfect!

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There is as any parent knows a lot to be said for hypocrisy. If you take a NRA logic to its enth, then all nations should be entitled to arm themselves anyway they want. Just as individuals can. However we can all see how that goes and it`s not good. Do we want more nukes or less? Simple question. We have managed not to blow ourselves into oblivion for over 70 years so far. This has been achieved by keeping the club exclusive. It may not be morally right or fair but wtf life is not right or fair and life is what we are concerned in preserving here.

Absolutely right. It is very hypocritical, but in this instance I support it. I would rather live in a nuke free world but that will never happen now so I'm glad "they" do not have nukes. It's not fair to them but it means we are not under threat from nuclear war. If every nation was free to develop nukes, suicide bombers would have them soon enough, then it's game over for everybody.

Yeah, I'd feel a lot better about that if the US didn't elect presidents like Bush and Trump.

@girlwithsmiles You and me both but it isn't our call.

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It's a matter of 'I have the gun, I make the rules.' It's simply a matter of being a bully.

Seems like.

@girlwithsmiles
And God said unto Moses as he was trying to put the fire in his beard out: And thusly the 11th commandment shall be: Spendeth others money so thou shalt become mighty and smite others.

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I am not sure the UK has nuclear weapons, but France exploded quite a few in the Pacific over the years (as far away from France as they could get ?).

The UK has Trident nuclear missiles carried aboard Vanguard submarines and, as of 2016, was believed to have 120 operational nuclear warheads. The exact numbers are kept secret.

@Jnei thank you..

The UK was the second country in the world to explode a nuclear device - it collaborated with the US in producing the first. The USSR then stole enough information the become the third. France was the fourth.
Incidentally, the UK designed and built the world's first nuclear power station.

Business Insider say that the break down is as follows: [static6.businessinsider.com]

@girlwithsmiles That was educational! If they set them all off at once, maybe we could start from scratch and cockroaches would rule the world for a long period of time?

@Barnie2years yes, maybe, hopefully not for another 30 years 😉 or maybe Kim Jong-Un will set a new president?

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You are using two of the world's largest imperial powers in human history in your example. There's your answer. That's what imperialists do.

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It's more complicated.... Once Pandora's box is open then the game rules change or else. The truth of the matter is that someone has to do that job. Who would you propose instead?

Someone who admits they are nobody might be a good start!
I honestly don't think anyone should be able to call the shots, every Country is as entitled to arms as the next.

@girlwithsmiles I understand and that's a noble idea however, someone will use it against someone else if there is no control enforced. As I have said, its a bit more complicated than that.

Yes, I'd have a bit more respect for the assembled powers that claim to control the situation if they were actually in control, but hey N Korea have volunteered to disarm so that's a step forward I suppose.

@girlwithsmiles yeah... The genie has been out of the bottle for 70 years and we are still here so, somehow the process in place, even if not perfect, it's working. .... You have a wonderful weekend !!

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