All men may be created equal but not in terms of punishment for their criminal culpability.
Chicago Police Officer Who Admitted Being a Member of the Oath Keepers Won’t Be Fired: City Watchdog
It is a difficult situation for any democracy to have what amount to "banned" organisations. It should only happen if real acts of terror have been committed and there are future threats. I think the oath keepers do fall into this category. If you disagree, ask yourself this question. Would we even be having this discussion if they were Muslim, Asian or black but expounding similar intentions?
We wouldn't have to, because minorities are disproportionately criminalized
What have the oath keepers done that gets them labeled alt-right by those who parrot the MSM talking points? Just curious. In Illinois there's plenty of sheriff's that aren't going to honor new fire arm legislation. They're being threatened with termination from what I've read. Are they alt-right too? The sheriff's claim they're honoring the constitution.
Yep, I'm smack dab in the center of it. Our town is overrun by criminals. Gimme my guns!
What have they done? What? Have you been living under a rock? A number of them have been convicted of sedition, for starters.
@Flyingsaucesir what about Antifa and BLM especially in the summer of 2020?
@Mickey What about ANTIFA and BLM? They didn't attack the Capitol, didn't try to overturn a legitimate presidential election, didn't try to end democracy in America. No. That was Trumpty Dumpty and his squirmy MAGAats.
@Flyingsaucesir you mean like the antifa and blm and the Dems tried to overturn a lawfully elected POTUSA for 4 years and antifa and blm did march on Washington DC and did damage not only there but also across the nation and multiple people were murdered in their rampages and over a billio$$$ was done in damage to many public bldgs.
@Mickey You heard about any ANTIFA or BLM people convicted of sedition lately? No.
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False equivalency between Black Lives Matter and Capitol siege: Experts, advocates
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@TheoryNumber3 why because you say so.
@Mickey Because I don't argue with MAGAs. I could agree with you, but then we'd both be wrong.
@TheoryNumber3 seek help for TDS
In a perfect world, no one with affiliation to any extremist group would ever be in the military or police (or intelligence, or anywhere in our government). But unless you can prove criminal activity, people have the right to think whatever they want. It was not until very recently that (some) members of the OKs were proven to have committed sedition. Yeah, I would like to see this cop canned, but I can also see how that might be difficult to accomplish.
All men or women are not crated equal. That is a fallacy.
That's true. They come in different sized boxes
Seriously, they may not in reality be treated equally, but they are equal under the law.... a law which is unfortunately not upheld
@TheoryNumber3 They are not even treated equally under the law either. There are many reasons on that , one is how much money do you have to be able to get a very good solicitor.
@Jolanta yes...I did say that it's a law which is not upheld
As loathsome as I find the alt-Right groups I wonder what they were doing from approx 2011-2016, the years the officer was a member. As much as I believe in the Rule of Law I am going to choose to suspend judgment on this issue subject to change pending additional facts.
I would look more at their "philosophy"... it is anti-goverment... an inappropriate affiliation for a police officer.
I saw no evidence of criminal culpability on the part of the Police Officer in question.
I only see here an intent to suppress another persons thoughts using a reprehensible example of "guilt by association".
The Oath Keepers are an extreme seditious conspiratorial anti-government group. I would suggest that affiliation with and/or membership in any such group should a constitute a barrier to serving as a law officer.
One of the questions you may be asked by immigration officials if you travel to the US from abroad is " Is it your intention to overthrow the government of the USA?" Now I don't think any terrorist has ever answered "Yes, you got me" but it gives immigration an "out" regarding any later deportation. However, if intentions are enough to deny you entry as a tourist. Should that not be enough to disbar someone from law enforcement?
Speech may be free but it is not free from consequences. For example, It is perfectly legal to want the age of consent lowered to 12 (creepy yes but legal). However, do not be surprised if you lose your teaching position as a result.
He should be fired. This is terrible because keeping him on as a police officer shows sympathy towards the Oath Keepers. This is plain stupidity maybe, or it goes in with the idea that if you make a claim long enough everyone will start believing it. We do not need Oath Keepers in our police force or our government.
I don't know the full history of them ,but what I recall they weren't extremists... but I do believe they got infiltrated by the CIA.. or FBI.. CIA FBI is the intelligence community. And Jeffrey Epstein was Said by a government official that was ,a prosecutor and a surgeon general that he Jeffrey Epstein belonged to intelligence.. and Jeffrey got the sweet heart deal ..
You're refusal to know this and do something about it .. is very disturbing..
I see a strong element of "guilt by association" here. If I said that I am a member of a Christian denomination would you jump to the conclusion that I am guilty of burning witches at the stake? Or sympathizing with those who advocate for such behavior?
The brush is way too broad for me to take you seriously
@dumasarok You mean you never burned a witch? Not even once?
@laidback1 ...sweetheart deal...at first, because he was rich and had connections. But in the end it all caught up with him.
@Flyingsaucesir you're so pathetic! He was said to ve part of tye intelligence community!!! WTF!!!! Stop fucking supporting monsters!!!! They're in power you fucking fool!!! You're letting them stay in power!!
@Flyingsaucesir, @TheoryNumber3, @dumasarok you are all quilty of letting these people stay in power .. you keep your mouths shut your brain shut off ,you refuse to stop them ,by simply calling them out for what they are,you follow them ..
@TheoryNumber3, @dumasarok, @Flyingsaucesir you all see patsys go to jail and you're like oh looky justice was done.. i can move on .. wtf... Mk ultra in 1977 was revealed ,the Year i was born,avd i had to grow up through This, seeing they were never held accountable.. jfk wabted to end them.. and they ended jfk.. and you fuckers,are like "la de dah!!!!!!"
@laidback1 Exactly what fuckers are you talking about? And what do you want to do about it? We're all hoping to see some change, however small. I think it's ok for us to be happy to see it as a step in the right direction! No need to be abusive. If you're going to respond, don't bother unless you can be civil.
@TheoryNumber3 what can be done? Encourage to investigate research,study,tell everyone about them and would think it go down a chain in life that would actually lead them to be prosecuted , but it appears more complicated? Im not sure.. cause so many think this is just nonsense and fake,we under psychological war , information war .. & we could vote against them ,maybe have a lottery instead...
Most importantly is non compliance against them.. to not believe them . The legacy media are mostly controlled by them . Brought to you by Pfzer...
@laidback1 I'm not disagreeing with you. Big business, politicians and the media are complicit, some more than others. Just follow the money and it leads to the answers. But I think that there ARE at least a few honest people in politics and in the media, and when I see them make an effort to make a difference, I applaud them. And I do vote. I vote in the interest of American peace, freedom and prosperity.... for the betterment of people over profits, for equal rights, for a decent lifestyle. And I share information that is useful for people to know. That's all I can do.
But the willfully ignorant do not want to hear it. They want to be left alone in their bubble, believing what they already believe. Marching does nothing. Protesting does nothing. When I hear people say their vote doesn't count, it angers me. It does count. We've turned things around before and we can do it again. But only if people are aware and concerned. And there just might not be enough of them.