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To hell with that, I'll criticize all of them. I don't care for political correctness of any sort. Dawkins raised a good point/question.

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ISLAM stands for everything we in the West have fought against over the centuries. It's why we have democracy, free speech, rule of law, human rights. NOT 1 Islamic country believes in democracy or has ever fought for it. NOT 1 Islamic country (other than oil rich Saudi Arabia) is successful. The model they operate from is stuck in a time warp and has not led to success but Muslims are too indoctrinated and fearful to challenge the Koran and update their beliefs. Poverty, tribalism, drug cartels, corruption and squalor are pretty much the reality of every Islamic country. It's why Muslims clamour to enter the West. Problem is that they drag their beliefs/culture in with them and put pressure on us to adapt to their way of life. Those who enter who do not believe in democracy and our way of life WILL erode it. It's already happening. Time we smarten up and protect what took centuries to achieve.

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Just do not draw a picture of their profit, Richard. Oh, did I spell that wrong?

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That's his point...

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CONTEXT
Here is the full quote given in a repose to a California Berkley radio station deplatforming him as an Islamaphobe in 2017

“I have criticised the appalling misogyny and homophobia of Islam, I have criticised the murdering of apostates for no crime other than their disbelief. Far from attacking Muslims, I understand – as perhaps you do not – that Muslims themselves are the prime victims of the oppressive cruelties of Islamism, especially Muslim women,” wrote the author in his response. “I am known as a frequent critic of Christianity and have never been de-platformed for that. Why do you give Islam a free pass? Why is it fine to criticise Christianity but not Islam?”

The real answer is because white do-gooder intellectuals are terrified that if they tell the truth about Islamist terrorists, and fundamentalist Islam, they are going to be bombed, shot or otherwise terrorized.
The same reason Denmark passed a law making it illegal to protest religion publicly, but only enforces it against protests countering Islamic atrocities.

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Those who have been in a particular religion become more qualified to criticize that religion.

Became non-religious

Atatürk, founder of the Republic of Turkey
• Mustafa Kemal Atatürk – Turkish field marshal, statesman, secularist reformer, and author. Sources point out that Atatürk was a religious skeptic and a freethinker. While his specific religious views are unclear, he was a non-doctrinaire deist.[3][4] According to Atatürk, the Turkish people do not know what Islam really is and do not read the Quran. People are influenced by Arabic sentences that they do not understand, and because of their customs they go to mosques. When the Turks read the Quran and think about it, they will leave Islam.[5] Atatürk described Islam as the religion of the Arabs in his own work titled Vatandaş için Medeni Bilgiler by his own critical and nationalist views.[6]
• Nyamko Sabuni – politician in Sweden[7]
• Safdar Hashmi – Indian Communist playwright and founding member of Jana Natya Manch.[8]
• Sajid Javid – British politician[9]
• Zayn Malik – English singer of Pakistani and English-Irish descent.[10]
• Mansiya V.P. a Bharatnatyam exponent from Kerala India. Non-conformist on religious front but believes in God.[11]

Became deists

• Ahmad Kasravi – notable Iranian linguist, historian, and reformer.[12]
• Ehsan Jami – former politician and founder of Central Committee for Ex-Muslims.[13]

Became agnostics

• Abdullah al-Qasemi – one of the most controversial intellectuals in the Arab world because of his radical change from defending Salafism to defending atheism and rejecting organized religion.[14]
• Alyque Padamsee – Indian theatre personality and ad filmmaker. He was the father of Indian Advertizing. He was an agnostic.[15]
• Cenk Uygur – Main host of the liberal talk radio show The Young Turks. He is an agnostic.[16]
• Fareed Zakaria – Indian-American CNN host. He is a self described secular and non practicing Muslim. He added: "My views on faith are complicated—somewhere between deism and agnosticism. I am completely secular in my outlook."
• Ibn al-Rawandi – early skeptic of Islam.[17]
• Ibn Warraq – British Pakistani secularist author and founder of the Institute for the Secularisation of Islamic Society.[18]
• Kia Abdullah – British novelist and travel writer. In 2020, she stated that she identifies as an agnostic and a secular Muslim.[19]
• Orhan Pamuk – Turkish novelist and screenwriter. Describes himself as a cultural Muslim while not believing in a personal connection to God.[20]
• Seema Mustafa – Indian journalist, Political Editor and Delhi Bureau Chief of The Asian Age newspaper.[21][22]
• Sohail Ahmed – Former radical Islamist. He now describes himself as a cultural Muslim who rejects the truth claims of Islam.[23]
• Wafa Sultan – Syrian-born American psychiatrist and controversial critic of Islam. She describes herself as a "Secular Humanist"[24][25]
• Dr. Younus Shaikh – Pakistani medical doctor, human rights activist, rationalist and free-thinker.[26]
• Zohra Sehgal – Indian actress who has appeared in several Hindi and English language films.[27]

Became atheists

Main article: List of converts to nontheism from Islam
Mina Ahadi, founder of the Central Council of Ex-Muslims.
Javed Akhtar, noted Indian writer and lyricist.
Sarah Haider, cofounder of Ex-Muslims of North America.
Ismail Kadare, noted Albanian writer.
Maryam Namazie, cofounder of the Council of Ex-Muslims of Britain.
Armin Navabi, founder of Atheist Republic, about leaving Islam.
Salman Rushdie, author of The Satanic Verses.[28]
• Abdullah al-Qasemi – Saudi Arabian 20th-century writer and intellectual. Former Salafist who became atheist and rejected organized religion.
• Afshin Ellian – Iranian-Dutch professor of law, philosopher, poet[29][30]
• Ahmed Harqan – Egyptian human rights activist and outspoken atheist.[31]
• Ahmed Sharif – Bangladeshi humanist book seller, human rights activist and secular humanist.[32]
• Al-Ma'arri – blind Arab philosopher, poet and writer.[33]
• Alexander Aan – Indonesian atheist and ex-Muslim of Minang descent, who was attacked by a mob and arrested in 2012 for posting "God does not exist" and other antireligious writings on Facebook, attracting international attention.[34]
• Ali A. Rizvi – Pakistani-born Canadian physician, writer and ex-Muslim activist[35]
• Ali Soilih – Comorian socialist revolutionary; president of the Comoros[36]
• Ali Dashti – Iranian rationalist and member of Iranian Senate.[37]
• Ali Sina – pseudonym of the founder of several anti-Islam and anti-Muslim websites.
• Aliaa Magda Elmahdy – Egyptian internet activist and women's rights advocate.
• Aliyah Saleem – British secular education campaigner, writer and market researcher, activist and co-founder of advocacy group Faith to Faithless.
• Anwar Shaikh – British author of Pakistani descent.[38]
• Armin Navabi – Iranian-born atheist and secular activist, author, podcaster and vlogger, founder of Atheist Republic
• Aroj Ali Matubbar – self-taught Bangladeshi philosopher
• Arzu Toker – German-speaking writer, journalist, publicist, translator of Turkish descent, cofounder of the Central Council of Ex-Muslims in Germany.
• As'ad Abu Khalil – Lebanese professor of political science at California State University, Stanislaus. He describes himself as an "atheist secularist".[39][40]
• Asif Mohiuddin – Bangladeshi blogger and secularist[41]
• Ayaan Hirsi Ali – Somali-born Dutch feminist, writer, and politician.[42]
• Ayaz Nizami – Pakistani Islamic Scholar became atheist, Founder of realisticapproach.org.[43] an Urdu website about atheism, and Vice President of Atheist & Agnostic Alliance Pakistan[44] He is currently detained under the charges of blasphemy and could face the death penalty.[45][46]
• Ayman Odeh – Israeli politician
• Aziz Nesin – popular Turkish humorist and author of more than 100 books.[47]
• Barack Obama Sr. – Kenyan senior governmental economist, and the father of 44th U.S. President Barack Obama[48]
• Bisi Alimi – Nigerian gay rights activist based in the United Kingdom
• Catherine Perez-Shakdam – French journalist, political analyst and commentator; formerly a convert to Islam, born to a Jewish family[49]
• Bonya Ahmed – Bangladeshi-American author, humanist activist and blogger, wife of Avijit Roy; hacked to death after receiving threats related to his promotion of secular views.[50]
• E. A. Jabbar – Indian ex-Muslim, orator, writer, retired school teacher of Kerala. Editor of Yukthiyugam Malayalam Magazine[51][52]
• Ebru Umar – Dutch columnist of Turkish descent, critic of Islam and of Turkish president Recep Tayyip Erdoğan.
• Enver Hoxha – Communist dictator who declared Albania the first atheist state, and who has been identified as an "arch-atheist."[53]
• Fatima Sana Shaikh – Indian actress[54]
• Faik Konitza – Albanian stylist, critic, publicist and political figure that had a tremendous impact on Albanian writing and on Albanian culture at the time.[55]
• Faisal Saeed Al Mutar – Iraqi-born satirist, human rights activist, writer, founder of the Global Secular Humanist Movement (GSHM).[56]
• Farhan Akhtar – Indian actor, singer, songwriter, playback singer, producer and television host.[57][58]
• Fauzia Ilyas – founder of Atheist & Agnostic Alliance Pakistan
• Gauhar Raza – Indian scientist, Urdu poet and filmmaker.[59]
• Hafid Bouazza – Moroccan-Dutch writer.[60][61]
• Hamed Abdel-Samad – German-Egyptian political scientist, historian and author.
• Hassan Bahara – Moroccan-Dutch writer.[62]
• Humayun Azad – Bangladeshi author, poet, scholar and linguists.[63][64]
• Inkulab – Tamil rationalist poet/writer and Marxist activist. Born as Sakul Hameed.[65][66]
• Irfan Habib – Indian historian.[67]
• Ismael Adham – Egyptian writer and philosopher.[68]
• Ismail Kadare – world-renowned Albanian writer.[69]
• Ismail Mohamed (activist) – Egyptian atheist human rights activist, host of The Black Ducks programme.[70]
• Javed Akhtar – noted Indian writer and lyricist.[71][68]
• Kacem El Ghazzali – Moroccan-Swiss writer and activist.[72]
• Kanan Makiya – Iraqi-American academic and Islamic and Middle Eastern scholar.[73]
• Kareem Amer – Egyptian blogger.[74][75]
• Kumail Nanjiani – Pakistani American stand-up comic and actor.[76]
• Lounès Matoub – Algerian Berber Kabyle singer.[77]
• Maryam Namazie – Iranian communist, political activist and leader of the British apostate-organization Council of Ex-Muslims of Britain[78]
• Massin Kevin Labidi – Dutch atheist activist of Tunisian descent, known for criticism of Islam.[79]
• Mina Ahadi – Iranian-born pacifist, founder of the German apostate-organization "Zentralrat der Ex-Muslime"[80]
• Mirza Fatali Akhundov – 19th century Azerbaijani playwright and philosopher.[81]
• Muhammad Syed – Pakistani American speaker and political activist. Co-founder of Ex-Muslims of North America.
• Nahla Mahmoud – Sudanese-born British writer, secularist, environmentalist, and human rights activist, and spokesperson for the Council of Ex-Muslims of Britain.[82]
• Parvin Darabi – Iranian born American activist, writer and woman's rights activist.[83]
• Pelin Batu – Turkish actress and television personality[84][85]
• Rahaf Mohammed – Saudi Arabian refugee in Canada whose January 2019 flight attracted international attention and involved diplomatic intervention.[86]
• Ramiz Alia – Albanian communist leader and former president of Albania.[87]
• Rana Ahmad – Saudi Arabian refugee in Germany, author, women's rights activist and founder of the Atheist Refugee Relief[88]
• Razib Khan- Bangladeshi-American writer in population genetics and consumer genomics.[89]
• Sagopa Kajmer – Turkish rap musician, songwriter, record producer and DJ[90]
• Salman Rushdie – British-Indian novelist and essayist.[28]
• Sam Touzani – Belgian actor, TV presenter, choreographer and comedian with Moroccan roots, critic of both the far-right and Islamism.[91]
• Sarah Haider – American writer, speaker, political activist and co-founder of Ex-Muslims of North America.[92]
• Sarmad Kashani – seventeenth-century mystical poet and sufi saint, arrived from Persia to India, beheaded for assumed heresy by the Mughal emperor, Aurungzebe. Sarmad renounced Judaism, briefly converting to Islam and then Hinduism. He later denounced all religions and rejected belief in gods.[93][94]
• Sibel Kekilli – German actress of Turkish origin, known for her role as 'Shae' in Game of Thrones. Kekili was raised as a Muslim, but does not belong to any religion anymore, and although she stated she respects all religions,[95] has criticised the physical mistreatment of women in Islam.[96]
• Sherif Gaber – Egyptian political activist and blogger.
• Sofia Ashraf – Indian rapper and singer.
• Taslima Nasrin – Bangladeshi author, feminist, human rights activist and secular humanist.[97]
• Turan Dursun – Turkish author and Islamic scholar. He was once a Turkish mufti and later authored many books critical of Islam.[98]
• Valon Behrami – Kosovo-born Swiss professional footballer who plays as a midfielder for English club Watford.[99]
• Waleed Al-Husseini – Palestinian philosopher, essayist, writer, blogger and co-founder of Council of Ex-Muslims in France [fr] (CEMF).
• Yasmine Mohammed – Canadian-born human rights activist, founder of Free Hearts, Free Minds and author of Unveiled: How Western Liberals Empower Radical Islam.[100]
• Zackie Achmat – South African anti-HIV/AIDS activist; founder of the Treatment Action Campaign.[101]
• Zara Kay – Tanzanian-Australian activist, founder of Faithless Hijabi.[102]
• Zineb El Rhazoui – Moroccan-born French journalist and former columnist for Paris-based satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo.[103]
• Zoya Akhtar – Indian director and screenwriter.[104][105]

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Another good question is why is islam stuck in archaic conceptions .This holds true for most religions but Muslim cultures are more barbaric and backwards than most .

Because it is based upon the xtian bible which in turn is based on the Jewish Torah

@FrayedBear so they managed to turn a pile of shit to a pile of shit being thrown into a fan

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This question needs context. Dawkins and others like him have been attacked by the wokey Left who think that criticising anything to do with culture and religion is racist and bigoted, though they are fine criticising western culture and religion. They would rather not criticise the outrageous practices of Islam than risk being called racist and bigoted. Dawkins et.al. think this is ridiculous and I agree with him. He's asking a question about the double standard, not asking for a reason why the double standard is acceptable.

Why does he not ask the question "why can the Jewish religion not be criticised?" They have made criticism of their religion & its adherents criminal offence in many places.
And yet the purported leader of the Christian religion, Jesus Christ, was supposedly a Jew. Sounds to me like that other great con job that Adolf Hitler is more associated with Germany than his place of origin Austria!
The criticism of Islam is frequent & is either negative or positive. People vote with their feet hence why it is constantly gaining more followers other than through birthing.
Negatively they vote by going to war or perpetrating genocide against Muslims.

@FrayedBear I'd say it's the other way around. Jews are heavily criticized or don't you follow current events. Jews also have been a victim of actual genocide within the last 80 years. Muslims go to war with each other over who is the right kind of Muslim. Admit it Muslims are more barbaric by default. I take your stance in this most recent conflict as complete bias and purposely disregarding truth for feelings.

@Tejas "Muslims go to war with each other over who is the right kind of Muslim." . . . Isn't that the history of all religions?

Are you familiar with Rosenfeld's Candle Seller? A simple story of Jew killing Jew.

Morris Rosenfeld The Candle Seller
In Hester Street, hard by a telegraph post,
There sits a poor woman as wan as a ghost.
Her pale face is shrunk, like the face of the dead,
And yet you can tell that her cheeks once were red.
But love, ease and friendship and glory, I ween,
May hardly the cause of their fading have been.
Poor soul, she has wept so, she scarcely can see.
A skeleton infant she holds on her knee.
It tugs at her breast, and it whimpers and sleeps,
But soon at her cry it awakens and weeps--
"Two cents, my good woman, three candles will buy,
As bright as their flame be my star in the sky!"

Tho' few are her wares, and her basket is small,
She earns her own living by these, when at all.
She's there with her baby in wind and in rain,
In frost and in snow-fall, in weakness and pain.
She trades and she trades, through the good times and slack--
No home and no food, and no cloak to her back.
She's kithless and kinless--one friend at the most,
And that one is silent: the telegraph post!
She asks for no alms, the poor Jewess, but still,
Altho' she is wretched, forsaken and ill,
She cries Sabbath candles to those that come nigh,
And all that she pleads is, that people will buy.

To honor the sweet, holy Sabbath, each one
With joy in his heart to the market has gone.
To shops and to pushcarts they hurriedly fare;
But who for the poor, wretched woman will care?
A few of her candles you think they will take?--
They seek the meat patties, the fish and the cake.
She holds forth a hand with the pitiful cry:
"Two cents, my good women, three candles will buy!"
But no one has listened, and no one has heard:
Her voice is so weak, that it fails at each word.
Perchance the poor mite in her lap understood,
She hears mother's crying--but where is the good

I pray you, how long will she sit there and cry
Her candles so feebly to all that pass by?
How long will it be, do you think, ere her breath
Gives out in the horrible struggle with Death?
How long will this frail one in mother-love strong,
Give suck to the babe at her breast? Oh, how long?
The child mother's tears used to swallow before,
But mother's eyes, nowadays, shed them no more.
Oh, dry are the eyes now, and empty the brain,
The heart well-nigh broken, the breath drawn with pain.
Yet ever, tho' faintly, she calls out anew:
"Oh buy but two candles, good women, but two!"

In Hester Street stands on the pavement of stone
A small, orphaned basket, forsaken, alone.
Beside it is sitting a corpse, cold and stark:
The seller of candles--will nobody mark?
No, none of the passers have noticed her yet.
The rich ones, on feasting are busily set,
And such as are pious, you well may believe,
Have no time to spare on the gay Sabbath eve.
So no one has noticed and no one has seen.
And now comes the nightfall, and with it, serene,
The Princess, the Sabbath, from Heaven descends,
And all the gay throng to the synagogue wends.

Within, where they pray, all is cleanly and bright,
The cantor sings sweetly, they list with delight.
But why in a dream stands the tall chandelier,
As dim as the candles that gleam round a bier?
The candles belonged to the woman, you know,
Who died in the street but a short time ago.
The rich and the pious have brought them tonight,
For mother and child they have set them alight.
The rich and the pious their duty have done:
Her tapers are lighted who died all alone.
The rich and the pious are nobly behaved:
A body--what matters? But souls must be saved!

O synagogue lights, be ye witnesses bold
That mother and child died of hunger and cold
Where millions are squandered in idle display;
That men, all unheeded, must starve by the way.
Then hold back your flame, blessed lights, hold it fast!
The great day of judgment will come at the last.
Before the white throne, where imposture is vain,
Ye lights for the soul, ye'll be lighted again!
And upward your flame there shall mount as on wings,
And damn the existing false order of things!

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Islam is a very violent religion and needs to be criticized. Hell we need to start every day by pissing on the Koran!

Using it as toilet paper is another alternative.

FFS have you not read the xtian bible? I vaguely recall once reading that the Koran is based upon the Bible's fairy tales.
[theguardian.com]

@David_Cooper I’m afraid even doing that won’t convince most of those idiots.

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Who says its not okay to criticize Islam? Its okay to criticize any religion.

I tend to avoid criticising Islam because I dislike the idea of being killed by a murderous fuzzy-wuzzy.

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Hi,
I can't find a link on your post.
For what it's worth, I see what appears to be the story here at what looks like a Christian website, from 2017:

UK News
Richard Dawkins asks 'Why is it fine to criticise Christianity but not Islam?'
Wed Jul 26 2017
[premierchristian.news]

kmaz Level 7 Jan 1, 2024

Thanks for the link.

He said this in one of his many debates

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Should we get upset now and want to kill those who draw pics of Yahwey? How about the many pics of Jesus. He has to look like Tab Hunter.

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I do not criticise Islam because of its murderous fuzzy-wuzzy adherents.

Lol. . . Is that what you are calling Muslims over in Perth these days?

Or have you simply been watching too much of "Dad's Army" & Lance Corporal Jones?
I don't believe that you have been reading Kipling's "Barrack Room" ballads & his poem.
The Hadendoa of the Sudan were known in English as Fuzzy Wuzz.

Fuzzy-Wuzzy
Rudyard Kipling

1865 (Mumbai) – 1936 (London)

We've fought with many men acrost the seas,
An' some of 'em was brave an' some was not:
The Paythan an' the Zulu an' Burmese;
But the Fuzzy was the finest o' the lot.
We never got a ha'porth's change of 'im:
'E squatted in the scrub an' 'ocked our 'orses,
'E cut our sentries up at Sua~kim~,
An' 'e played the cat an' banjo with our forces.
So 'ere's ~to~ you, Fuzzy-Wuzzy, at your 'ome in the Soudan;
You're a pore benighted 'eathen but a first-class fightin' man;
We gives you your certificate, an' if you want it signed
We'll come an' 'ave a romp with you whenever you're inclined.

We took our chanst among the Khyber 'ills,
The Boers knocked us silly at a mile,
The Burman give us Irriwaddy chills,
An' a Zulu ~impi~ dished us up in style:
But all we ever got from such as they
Was pop to what the Fuzzy made us swaller;
We 'eld our bloomin' own, the papers say,
But man for man the Fuzzy knocked us 'oller.
Then 'ere's ~to~ you, Fuzzy-Wuzzy, an' the missis and the kid;
Our orders was to break you, an' of course we went an' did.
We sloshed you with Martinis, an' it wasn't 'ardly fair;
But for all the odds agin' you, Fuzzy-Wuz, you broke the square.

'E 'asn't got no papers of 'is own,
'E 'asn't got no medals nor rewards,
So we must certify the skill 'e's shown
In usin' of 'is long two-'anded swords:
When 'e's 'oppin' in an' out among the bush
With 'is coffin-'eaded shield an' shovel-spear,
An 'appy day with Fuzzy on the rush
Will last an 'ealthy Tommy for a year.
So 'ere's ~to~ you, Fuzzy-Wuzzy, an' your friends which are no more,
If we 'adn't lost some messmates we would 'elp you to deplore;
But give an' take's the gospel, an' we'll call the bargain fair,
For if you 'ave lost more than us, you crumpled up the square!

'E rushes at the smoke when we let drive,
An', before we know, 'e's 'ackin' at our 'ead;
'E's all 'ot sand an' ginger when alive,
An' 'e's generally shammin' when 'e's dead.
'E's a daisy, 'e's a ducky, 'e's a lamb!
'E's a injia-rubber idiot on the spree,
'E's the on'y thing that doesn't give a damn
For a Regiment o' British Infantree!
So 'ere's ~to~ you, Fuzzy-Wuzzy, at your 'ome in the Soudan;
You're a pore benighted 'eathen but a first-class fightin' man;
An' 'ere's ~to~ you, Fuzzy-Wuzzy, with your 'ayrick 'ead of 'air --
You big black boundin' beggar -- for you broke a British square!

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I thought Dawkins was intelligent? Such comment suggests otherwise.

The old adage of "people voting with their feet" applies here except that it is a vote to either join the Muslims in their religion or simply to perpetrate genocide against them.

Why? You realise he does believe that Islam should be criticised, right?

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A significant number of Muslims read (?) the Koran which destroys their innate sense of justice and replaces it with hatred of everyone else. (Christianity certainly has its Nazis too, but..) Thus, one can criticize Islam if you're OK with being threatened by those morons.

Everyone should oppose the dissemination of nonsense and hatred, wherever it comes from.

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because heads would roll....

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The reason is a certain segment of the population are dimwitted enough to believe they will be be labeled a racist if they do so. which is preposterous.due to it not even being a race in the first place.

Agreed

That's right, and sadly many of these people are on the Left, with muddle headed thinking.

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And I highly doubt this is an actual quote from Dawkins?! If it is, it’s the first and only ignorant comment he has ever made….🙃

You are absolutely incorrect I have viewed him stating this on one of his debates .You should do your homework before making false assumptions

@richiegtt You should provide links to verify your claims, otherwise your spouting off ignorance too!?
Hellooooo…..this is where you attach a video, or shut your yapper….🤠

You should wish you had one ounce of Dawkins intellect .And it’s true what he stated..

@bebe12 Just another ass popping off without providing any links to back up your ignorant ramblings…..carry on…..🙃

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I’ve yet to meet a single christian who was “fine” with me criticizing christianity…..🤪

Yeah, good point.

True but most of them limit their displeasure to going Tutt, loudly or telling you that you are going to go to hell. They don't often burn effigies of you in the street or blow up a local magazine or university.
Well not for the last 150 years or so.

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