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Why is it that Americans say that they have. "Separation of church and state." When they give the churches tax breaks ? Surely a whole nation can not be stupid enough to see that a negative involvement, i.e. you need not do what everyone else does, is still an involvement ? And while it is of course good to, let people be free to worship as they wish, but surely without the alternative of a state regulated church, to at least set an example of good standards, and give people a refuge from cults, you set the churches free to use and abuse the people as they wish. Then you give them state provided advantages to help them do so. Surely this is the worst of all possible plans ?

Fernapple 9 Apr 14
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Because politicos learned long ago that if you simply ignore the rules you don't like, your supporter will, quietly, rewrite them so that they no longer apply to you and claim they were always like that.
A sort of revisionist Mandela effect.

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Tax exempt as religious organizations were supposed to use their finances for the benefit of the indigent. Yeah right. The debauchery that took place in the rectory when a certain bishop went to Rome for the vote would make one gag. As a bartender with a waiter that "dated" the assistant bishop, I knew all the sleazy details. He was 18. Assistant bishop was 38. I was sickened.

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Damn man. Kenneth Copeland need that 6th plane more than the homeless need food.

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AND... let us not forget about private school vouchers that go to private religious schools that could not exist without a tax funded voucher system! I am outraged that my tax dollars are used to perpetuate this blatent use of government funds to provide religious indoctrination.

So there is a positive connection too.

@Fernapple You scene SCOTUS lately…..👀

@Aaron70 No I have not. Interesting ?

@Fernapple Interesting if you like watching a barrel of right wing monkeys in action…..😶

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Their tax exempt status is supposed to depend on their not getting involved in civic matters. Of course that is being completely ignored and their participation actually encouraged.

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A lot of these churches should have their tax-exempt status revoked immediately. I'm talking about the ones that are meddling in politics...

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Freedom of religion is a separate issue from the tax free status religions have in the U.S.

The tax free status as written is supposed to be conditional. It is specifically written in the tax code that churches are only tax free so long as they stay out of politics. The rule was well intentioned. However, it doesn't really work in practice. Many churches have violated that prohibition and have involved themselves in politics, and no politician has had the nerve to hold them to the tax code out of fear of being seen as someone who persecutes religion. When a politician seems to be getting up the nerve, the church makes a hefty political donation and they are pressured to not pursue it.

Personally, I think churches who get involved in politics should be taxed. If they want a voice in government, then they should be helping to pay for that government. If they keep the separation of church and state by not involving themselves in politics, then I also have no problem with them keeping their tax exempt status. However, the tax code which prohibits political involvement should be enforced if any churches are to remain tax exempt. Otherwise they should all be taxed.

Freedom of religion is there mostly because of the bloody histories from times when churches were granted official government status, or held power over governments. No one religion should be sanctioned by the state, or else we would inevitably see bloodshed again.

James Madison. When most were concerned about the tyranny of the minority i.e. the monarchy of Geo 3rd. Madison was concerned about the tyranny of the majority. The House RePUDliKLANS have a majority of one as another retires. Flip the HOUSE.

@Mooolah I had read that Jefferson was concerned about religion corrupting government, while Madissson was concerned about government corrupting religion. As it turned out, I think both were correct about their fears.

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Churches aren’t supposed to indorse political candidates according to IRS rules.Across the country churches appear to be doing so anyway

They’re not supposed to endorse political candidates but most church people tend to be conservative and I’m thankful for that.

@Trajan61 The only thing I’ve ever seen conservatives conserve is bigoted ignorance and hate. Fuck conservatives, the sooner the arrogant ignorant bigoted intolerant hateful fucks die off, the better off the world will be! 😇

@Trajan61 Unfortunately these ignorant fucks that you’re “thankful” for, are content to wipe us all out with their bigoted ignorance. 😇

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Don't talk to me about it....I've been doing whatever I can to dissolve that damned advantage for years. Churches are businesses....and although they've been given a break in the name of the ''charity'' they provide, we all know they don't deserve it.

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you are a slave complaining about your slave masters. Good luck with that.

They are not my masters, I don't even live in the USA.

@Fernapple It's not me, it's them. Got it.

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I see your point, however the religious tax exemption was because our Framers thought that if churches could be taxed then, if a Government wanted to, they could be taxed out of existence.

They had something of a point.

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Well, however you define separation of church and state in America, I have the unhappy duty to inform you that it is rapidly breaking down before our eyes and sooner or later may not exist at all.

Exactly. This is the slow push of Christian Nationalism that wants extremists to be in control and religions to be taught in school as well as in church. This opens the door of money from government to ensure this is done.

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Antidisestablishmentarianism; eh, yea or nay?

Does a third of the planet conspire to require charity?

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