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Pablo Picasso: Good artists copy; great artists steal.

Yes/no?

HoaryMarmot 7 May 23
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He also said "Art washes away from the soul the dust of every day life" but that one doesn't get very much attention, nor does anyone care to research it to see if it is attributable to someone else. Take it from me, Henri's wife ?

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You could talk about how one of his major influences was African art and his artistic output is based in European colonial appropriation.

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Ehhh, it's a fine line. I try to unintentionally come up with something that is "original", but that's almost impossible to do. You have to stay within a certain structure in music or else it just sounds "idiotic". We all have influences whether they come through in our work subconsciously or not. Everything has pretty much been done before with variants on what has been done.

@HoaryMarmot Not if it's abstract painting, right? I don't know a lot about art such as drawing and/or painting though. I just know when singers sing out of key, or players play an instrument out of key, it sounds bad.

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If by "steal" he meant "adapt and make it your own", sure.

Nothing wrong in taking inspiration from other artists. I work in software; you can't copyright an expression of an idea in software, only the exact same code, and even then, there is occasionally only one or two ways to possibly do a particular thing. I'm sure the law applies in a similar way to artistic expression. You can't copy the Mona Lisa and sell it as the original, but you can certainly adapt ideas from it for painting new portraits.

@HoaryMarmot Literal theft is not a gray area, it's fairly black and white. What's not black and white quite often is the definition of intellectual or creative property. For example, it's well established that there are only a handful of general plot lines for works of fiction, so clearly, that you can see the same general plot line in two author's works doesn't mean theft has occurred. Theft is generally held to be things like photocopying the actual book and selling it, thereby denying the actual publisher income. Or publishing the text with trivial changes as your own.

In software, I can't pirate Microsoft Excel but I could write a program that mostly does the same things and call it Mordant's Workbooks and I wouldn't be stealing anything. To prove theft, Microsoft would have to show that my source code was stolen from them with minimal changes.

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I like the second part of that. I am an artist & I steal all sorts of ideas and bend and blend them to my own tune. I remember at art college our tutor said that he couldn't understand my work - and I loved that he said that.

In one of my final pieces I had a room full of collected items flashing lights and everything that was important to me - representing my Dissociative Identity Disorder. So he couldn't understand what me and eight alters wanted to portray and I understand that too as most people I come out to are afraid of what I may say or do or achieve when its out of their realm of understanding. And I have a feeling that that is the place where art is supreme - when it has to be a relationship of 'trying' to understand and d it doesnt really matter what the understanding is for the individual, because it s all understanding self.

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Life is derivative.

Nothing new under the sun as they say.
Just rephrasing.

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Well, I like some of his stuff.
And, I think he'd have been a fun neighbor.
Kind of like Hunter S. Thompson.

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Yes ! And being great, he stole a fair bit from African art ! (Still adore him, though!)

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Absolutely!

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It is the same in music. You take a little here, you take a little there, ad your own twist, your own feel, and develope your own style if your not strictly a copy band player.

@HoaryMarmot Exactly. ?

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I think Picasso was overrated.

@HoaryMarmot Love FLW!

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I disagree.

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Yes, they appropriate and breath new life into what they take. It is well known that Matisse and Picasso took what they wanted from each other, competing, praising, ignoring each other. Picasso said: “God is really another painter … like me.” He was probably thinking about Matisse.
Also Shakespeare took themes from other playwrights an made them into magnificent literature.

cava Level 7 May 23, 2018

@HoaryMarmot Funny you mention this. I just read that Oxford University Press drew attention last year for deciding that, in the New Oxford Shakespeare, the plays Henry VI, Parts 1, 2, and 3 would no longer be listed as having been written by Shakespeare alone. Instead the title pages will say: “By William Shakespeare and Christopher Marlowe.”

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Great artists 'recontextualize'.

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Avant garde, anything goes 🙂

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