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The Bible - I find the lack of respect people in this room give to the Bible disturbing. Its early mans attempt to make sense of life, and it offers so much good advice. I am an atheist but I respect the Bible.
Here's a quote from the Bible - Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. Love never fails... ~ 1 Corinthians 13:4-8a [NIV]

How can you be against that?

gater 7 May 30
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I think you might be in the wrong group. The bible is a work of fiction written by people to control others. It has caused more death and damage than you can imagine.

And comforted more than you can imagine.

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I'll let someone more erudite than I answer...

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Perhaps not against that carefully selected quote but overall the book is abhorrent and deserves nothing but contempt.

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I understand that you're trying to not throw out the baby with the bathwater, that book has been used as a weapon against humanity so often that it's wisdom has been tainted by the hypocrisies surrounding it.

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We're tired of people trying to pass laws with it. Of course we're gonna disrespect it.

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This post is not logical.

@michaelinlivonia exactly

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"People who take their faith a la carte and cafeteria style don't impress me very much on the points of principal and conviction that we're supposed to be talking about."
— Christopher Hitchens

You can't pick and choose only the good parts, [like a cafeteria / a-la cart menu] and disregard the rest.

Also, please enjoy this link to a website, that interactively displays all the contradictions in the bible, there are many...
[bibviz.com]

What prevents someone from choosing only the good parts?

@skado If you mean by interacting with the website I posted, I can help.
An example I hear from Christians, is that god didn't create evil, that is man's fault, his original sin.
On this link, it indicates, a few vs. how in scripture, god did create evil in several passages. and then it later shows the contradicting posts
[bibviz.com]

@MarcusMethod
No, I wasn't talking about the website. I was talking about the Bible. You say you can't choose only the good parts. What prevents someone from doing that? I've done it all my life, and nothing has stopped me so far.

@MarcusMethod, @SallyMc
A person who doesn't believe a particular book has any validity is requiring that another person regard the book only with integrity? Sounds just like superstition to me.

@skado You're right, nothing is stopping you from selectively picking only the good parts of the bible and claiming that those are nice pieces of advice or endearing passages. The entire bible is claimed to be the infallible word of god, NOT just the good parts you favour. And as demonstrated by the link provided, the book in contradictory. It says one piece of good advice, then contradicts itself.
I'm also not superstitious.

@MarcusMethod
You had me at "You're right" 🙂
The Bible isn't claimed to be the infallible word of God by me. Why should I care if it is contradictory?

@skado A lot of Christians would tell you different that the bible IS infallible. And again, if YOU interpret it that way, or however, then I am not stopping you at all. You have every right to believe in what you want, as do I and have illustrated the facts. Best part about facts is that they don't care if you believe in them or not. 😀

@SallyMc
I said "What prevents someone from choosing only the good parts?"
You said "Integrity".

I'm asking you why do you feel I should exercise such integrity in my dealings with a book you think is not to be respected at all? If you can throw the whole thing out, why can't I throw parts of it out?

@SallyMc
Are you saying all fiction is bad or just that one? Is there no legitimate place in the world for fiction?

@MarcusMethod
Well we agree about that. I’d even go further and say facts don’t even care if you know them or not 🙂 . So would it be fair to say that your beef is more with Christians who think you have to take the entire book literally, than with those who find comfort and strength in some of its metaphors and don’t worry about the parts they don’t find useful?

@skado My concern is with those who feel because the bible has some ‘nice’ endearing quotes, that is what establishes the whole book as truth.
With so many contradictions in the bible, it’s hard to have it as a substantial moral compass in todays day and age of ‘what we know now.’
I’ll leave this with you; Even Richard Dawkins said himself [paraphrasing] “the bible is important piece of literature to read, to know how people use to think, philosophize. To not know of it, or it’s teaching would make you unable to communicate with lots of people when they reference it.”
And again, yes, no one is stopping you from JUST focusing on the nice things in a book full of horrid tales. Put your blinders up whenever you want, cherry pick till your hearts content, I’m not stopping or preventing you.
Hope that clears things up.

@MarcusMethod
Thanks for not stopping me. 🙂

@skado because thats the whole point if demanding we "respect" that book. It has been used to enslave and disenfranchise millions. It is book by and for enemies of reason. I will not respect it and I will scream and kick about any tone deaf, blind follower that demands I do so.

Hi, @Blindbird
I haven't seen yet where he demanded anyone respect anything; only that he found it disturbing that they didn't. He's allowed his sentiments, isn't he? He's also pretty clearly not a blind follower; he has identified himself as an atheist.

@skadoA] I doubt his truthfulness and B] expressing dismay at a lack of respect is a passive demand for respect.

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One can discover "good advice" in Grimes Fairy tales also....

True - but I don't see anyone in here ripping on Grimm

But no one is worshiping Grimm and wasting money, time, and emotion on a fraud. @gater

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101 Contradictions in the Bible:

101 Clear Contradictions in the Bible

Shabir Ally

  1. Who incited David to count the fighting men of Israel?

God did (2 Samuel 24: 1)
Satan did (I Chronicles 2 1:1)
2. In that count how many fighting men were found in Israel?

Eight hundred thousand (2 Samuel 24:9)
One million, one hundred thousand (I Chronicles 21:5)
3. How many fighting men were found in Judah?

Five hundred thousand (2 Samuel 24:9)
Four hundred and seventy thousand (I Chronicles 21:5)
4. God sent his prophet to threaten David with how many years of famine?

Seven (2 Samuel 24:13)
Three (I Chronicles 21:12)
5. How old was Ahaziah when he began to rule over Jerusalem?

Twenty-two (2 Kings 8:26)
Forty-two (2 Chronicles 22:2)
6. How old was Jehoiachin when he became king of Jerusalem?

Eighteen (2 Kings 24:8)
Eight (2 Chronicles 36:9)
7. How long did he rule over Jerusalem?

Three months (2 Kings 24:8)
Three months and ten days (2 Chronicles 36:9)
8. The chief of the mighty men of David lifted up his spear and killed how many men at one time?

Eight hundred (2 Samuel 23:8)
Three hundred (I Chronicles 11: 11)
9. When did David bring the Ark of the Covenant to Jerusalem? Before defeating the Philistines or after?

After (2 Samuel 5 and 6)
Before (I Chronicles 13 and 14)
10. How many pairs of clean animals did God tell Noah to take into the Ark?

Two (Genesis 6:19, 20)
Seven (Genesis 7:2). But despite this last instruction only two pairs went into the ark (Genesis 7:8-9)
11. When David defeated the King of Zobah, how many horsemen did he capture?

One thousand and seven hundred (2 Samuel 8:4)
Seven thousand (I Chronicles 18:4)
12. How many stalls for horses did Solomon have?

Forty thousand (I Kings 4:26)
Four thousand (2 chronicles 9:25)
13. In what year of King Asa's reign did Baasha, King of Israel die?

Twenty-sixth year (I Kings 15:33 - 16:8)
Still alive in the thirty-sixth year (2 Chronicles 16:1)
14. How many overseers did Solomon appoint for the work of building the temple?

Three thousand six hundred (2 Chronicles 2:2)
Three thousand three hundred (I Kings 5:16)
15. Solomon built a facility containing how many baths?

Two thousand (1 Kings 7:26)
Over three thousand (2 Chronicles 4:5)
16. Of the Israelites who were freed from the Babylonian captivity, how many were the children of Pahrath-Moab?

Two thousand eight hundred and twelve (Ezra 2:6)
Two thousand eight hundred and eighteen (Nehemiah 7:11)
17. How many were the children of Zattu?

Nine hundred and forty-five (Ezra 2:8)
Eight hundred and forty-five (Nehemiah 7:13)
18. How many were the children of Azgad?

One thousand two hundred and twenty-two (Ezra 2:12)
Two thousand three hundred and twenty-two (Nehemiah 7:17)
19. How many were the children of Adin?

Four hundred and fifty-four (Ezra 2:15)
Six hundred and fifty-five (Nehemiah 7:20)
20. How many were the children of Hashum?

Two hundred and twenty-three (Ezra 2:19)
Three hundred and twenty-eight (Nehemiah 7:22)
21. How many were the children of Bethel and Ai?

Two hundred and twenty-three (Ezra 2:28)
One hundred and twenty-three (Nehemiah 7:32)
22. Ezra 2:64 and Nehemiah 7:66 agree that the total number of the whole assembly was 42,360. Yet the numbers do not add up to anything close. The totals obtained from each book is as follows:

29,818 (Ezra)
31,089 (Nehemiah)
23. How many singers accompanied the assembly?

Two hundred (Ezra 2:65)
Two hundred and forty-five (Nehemiah 7:67)
24. What was the name of King Abijahs mother?

Michaiah, daughter of Uriel of Gibeah (2 Chronicles 13:2)
Maachah, daughter of Absalom (2 Chronicles 11:20) But Absalom had only one daughter whose name was Tamar (2 Samuel 14:27)
25. Did Joshua and the Israelites capture Jerusalem?

Yes (Joshua 10:23, 40)
No (Joshua 15:63)
26. Who was the father of Joseph, husband of Mary?

Jacob (Matthew 1:16)
Hell (Luke 3:23)
27. Jesus descended from which son of David?

Solomon (Matthew 1:6)
Nathan(Luke3:31)
28. Who was the father of Shealtiel?

Jechoniah (Matthew 1:12)
Neri (Luke 3:27)
29. Which son of Zerubbabel was an ancestor of Jesus Christ?

Abiud (Matthew 1: 13)
Rhesa (Luke 3:27) But the seven sons of Zerubbabel are as follows: i.Meshullam, ii. Hananiah, iii. Hashubah, iv. Ohel, v.Berechiah, vi. Hasadiah, viii. Jushabhesed (I Chronicles 3:19, 20). The names Abiud and Rhesa do not fit in anyway.
30. Who was the father of Uzziah?

Joram (Matthew 1:8)
Amaziah (2 Chronicles 26:1)
31. Who was the father of Jechoniah?

Josiah (Matthew 1:11)
Jeholakim (I Chronicles 3:16)
32. How many generations were there from the Babylonian exile until Christ?

Matthew says fourteen (Matthew 1:17)
But a careful count of the generations reveals only thirteen (see Matthew 1: 12-16)
33. Who was the father of Shelah?

Cainan (Luke 3:35-36)
Arphaxad (Genesis II: 12)
34. Was John the Baptist Elijah who was to come?

Yes (Matthew II: 14, 17:10-13)
No (John 1:19-21)
35. Would Jesus inherit Davids throne?

Yes. So said the angel (Luke 1:32)
No, since he is a descendant of Jehoiakim (see Matthew 1: I 1, I Chronicles 3:16). And Jehoiakim was cursed by God so that none of his descendants can sit upon Davids throne (Jeremiah 36:30)
36. Jesus rode into Jerusalem on how many animals?

One - a colt (Mark 11:7; cf Luke 19:3 5). And they brought the colt to Jesus and threw their garments on it; and he sat upon it.
Two - a colt and an ass (Matthew 21:7). They brought the ass and the colt and put their garments on them and he sat thereon.
37. How did Simon Peter find out that Jesus was the Christ?

By a revelation from heaven (Matthew 16:17)
His brother Andrew told him (John 1:41)
38. Where did Jesus first meet Simon Peter and Andrew?

By the sea of Galilee (Matthew 4:18-22)
On the banks of river Jordan (John 1:42). After that, Jesus decided to go to Galilee (John 1:43)
39. When Jesus met Jairus was Jairus daughter already dead?

Yes. Matthew 9:18 quotes him as saying, My daughter has just died.
No. Mark 5:23 quotes him as saying, My little daughter is at the point of death.
40. Did Jesus allow his disciples to keep a staff on their journey?

Yes (Mark 6:8)
No (Matthew 10:9; Luke 9:3)
41. Did Herod think that Jesus was John the Baptist?

Yes (Matthew 14:2; Mark 6:16)
No (Luke 9:9)
42. Did John the Baptist recognize Jesus before his baptism?

Yes (Matthew 3:13-14)
No (John 1:32,33)
43. Did John the Baptist recognize Jesus after his baptism?

Yes (John 1:32, 33)
No (Matthew 11:2)
44. According to the Gospel of John, what did Jesus say about bearing his own witness?

If I bear witness to myself, my testimony is not true (John 5:3 1)
Even if I do bear witness to myself, my testimony is true (John 8:14)
45. When Jesus entered Jerusalem did he cleanse the temple that same day?

Yes (Matthew 21:12)
No. He went into the temple and looked around, but since it was very late he did nothing. Instead, he went to Bethany to spend the night and returned the next morning to cleanse the temple (Mark I 1:1- 17)
46. The Gospels say that Jesus cursed a fig tree. Did the tree wither at once?

Yes. (Matthew 21:19)
No. It withered overnight (Mark II: 20)
47. Did Judas kiss Jesus?

Yes (Matthew 26:48-50)
No. Judas could not get close enough to Jesus to kiss him (John 18:3-12)
48. What did Jesus say about Peters denial?

The cock will not crow till you have denied me three times (John 13:38)
Before the cock crows twice you will deny me three times (Mark 14:30) . When the cock crowed once, the three denials were not yet complete (see Mark 14:72). Therefore prediction (a) failed.
49. Did Jesus bear his own cross?

Yes (John 19:17)
No (Matthew 27:31-32)
50. Did Jesus die before the curtain of the temple was torn?

Yes (Matthew 27:50-51; Mark lS:37-38)
No. After the curtain was torn, then Jesus crying with a loud voice, said, Father, into thy hands I commit my spirit! And having said this he breathed his last (Luke 23:45-46)
51. Did Jesus say anything secretly?

No. I have said nothing secretly (John 18:20)
Yes. He did not speak to them without a parable, but privately to his own disciples he explained everything (Mark 4:34). The disciples asked him Why do you speak to them in parables? He said, To you it has been given to know the secrets of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given (Matthew 13: 1 0-11)
52. Where was Jesus at the sixth hour on the day of the crucifixion?

On the cross (Mark 15:23)
In Pilates court (John 19:14)
53. The gospels say that two thieves were crucified along with Jesus. Did both thieves mock Jesus?

Yes (Mark 15:32)
No. One of them mocked Jesus, the other defended Jesus (Luke 23:43)
54. Did Jesus ascend to Paradise the same day of the crucifixion?

Yes. He said to the thief who defended him, Today you will be with me in Paradise (Luke 23:43)
No. He said to Mary Magdelene two days later, I have not yet ascended to the Father (John 20:17)
55. When Paul was on the road to Damascus he saw a light and heard a voice. Did those who were with him hear the voice?

Yes (Acts9:7)
No (Acts22:9)
56. When Paul saw the light he fell to the ground. Did his traveling companions also fall to the ground?

Yes (Acts 26:14)
No (Acts 9:7)
57. Did the voice spell out on the spot what Pauls duties were to be?

Yes (Acts 26:16-18)
No. The voice commanded Paul to go into the city of Damascus and there he will be told what he must do. (Acts9:7;22: 10)
58. When the Israelites dwelt in Shittin they committed adultery with the daughters of Moab. God struck them with a plague. How many people died in that plague?

Twenty-four thousand (Numbers 25:1 and 9)
Twenty-three thousand (I Corinthians 10:8)
59. How many members of the house of Jacob came to Egypt?

Seventy souls (Genesis 4 & 27)
Seventy-five souls (Acts 7:14)
60. What did Judas do with the blood money he received for betraying Jesus?

He bought a field (Acts 1: 18)
He threw all of it into the temple and went away. The priests could not put the blood money into the temple treasury, so they used it to buy a field to bury strangers (Matthew 27:5)
61. How did Judas die?

After he threw the money into the temple he went away and hanged himself (Matthew 27:5)
After he bought the field with the price of his evil deed he fell headlong and burst open in the middle and all his bowels gushed out (Acts 1:18)
62. Why is the field called Field of Blood?

Because the priests bought it with the blood money (Matthew 27:8)
Because of the bloody death of Judas therein (Acts 1:19)
63. Who is a ransom for whom?

The Son of Man came...to give his life as a ransom for many (Mark 10:45). Christ Jesus who gave himself as a ransom for all... (I Timothy 2:5-6)
The wicked is a ransom for the righteous, and the faithless for the upright (Proverbs 21:18)
64. Is the law of Moses useful?

Yes. All scripture is... profitable... (2 Timothy 3:16)
No. . . . A former commandment is set aside because of its weakness and uselessness... (Hebrews 7:18)
65. What was the exact wording on the cross?

This is Jesus the King of the Jews (Matthew 27:37)
The King of the Jews (Mark 15:26)
This is the King of the Jews (Luke 23:38)
Jesus of Nazareth, the King of the Jews (John 19:19)
66. Did Herod want to kill John the Baptist?

Yes (Matthew 14:5)
No. It was Herodias, the wife of Herod who wanted to kill him. But Herod knew that he was a righteous man and kept him safe (Mark 6:20)
67. Who was the tenth disciple of Jesus in the list of twelve?

Thaddaeus (Matthew 10: 1-4; Mark 3:13 -19)
Judas son of James is the corresponding name in Lukes gospel (Luke 6:12-16)
68. Jesus saw a man sitat the tax collectors office and called him to be his disciple. What was his name?

Matthew (Matthew 9:9)
Levi (Mark 2:14; Luke 5:27)
69. Was Jesus crucified on the daytime before the Passover meal or the daytime after?

After (Mark 14:12-17)
Before. Before the feast of the Passover (John 1) Judas went out at night (John 13:30). The other disciples thought he was going out to buy supplies to prepare for the Passover meal (John 13:29). When Jesus was arrested, the Jews did not enter Pilates judgment hail because they wanted to stay clean to eat the Passover (John 18:28). When the judgment was pronounced against Jesus, it was about the sixth hour on the day of Preparation for the Passover (John 19:14)
70. Did Jesus pray to The Father to prevent the crucifixion?

Yes. (Matthew 26:39; Mark 14:36; Luke 22:42)
No. (John 12:27)
71. In the gospels which say that Jesus prayed to avoid the cross, how many times did he move away from his disciples to pray?

Three (Matthew 26:36-46 and Mark 14:32-42)
One. No opening is left for another two times. (Luke 22:39-46)
72. Matthew and Mark agree that Jesus went away and prayed three times. What were the words of the second prayer?

Mark does not give the words but he says that the words were the same as the first prayer (Mark 14:3 9)
Matthew gives us the words, and we can see that they are not the same as in the first (Matthew 26:42)
73. What did the centurion say when Jesus dies?

Certainly this man was innocent (Luke 23:47)
Truly this man was the Son of God (Mark 15:39)
74. When Jesus said My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken Me ? in what language did he speak?

Hebrew: the words are Eloi, Eloi ..(Matthew 27:46)
Aramaic: the words are Eloi, Eloi .. (Mark 15:34)
75. According to the gospels, what were the last words of Jesus before he died?

Father, into thy hands I commit my spirit! (Luke 23:46)
"It is finished" (John 19:30)
76. When Jesus entered Capernaum he healed the slave of a centurion. Did the centurion come personally to request Jesus for this?

Yes (Matthew 8:5)
No. He sent some elders of the Jews and his friends (Luke 7:3,6)
77.

Adam was told that if and when he eats the forbidden fruit he would die the same day (Genesis 2:17)
Adam ate the fruit and went on to live to a ripe old age of 930 years (Genesis 5:5)
78.

God decided that the life-span of humans will be limited to 120 years (Genesis 6:3)
Many people born after that lived longer than 120. Arpachshad lived 438 years. His son Shelah lived 433 years. His son Eber lived 464 years, etc. (Genesis 11:12-16)
79. Apart from Jesus did anyone else ascend to heaven?

No (John 3:13)
Yes. And Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven (2 Kings 2:11)
80. Who was high priest when David went into the house of God and ate the consecrated bread?

Abiathar (Mark 2:26)
Ahimelech, the father of Abiathar (I Samuel 1:1; 22:20)
81. Was Jesus body wrapped in spices before burial in accordance with Jewish burial customs?

Yes and his female disciples witnessed his burial (John 19:39-40)
No. Jesus was simply wrapped in a linen shroud. Then the women bought and prepared spices so that they may go and anoint him [Jesus) (Mark 16: 1)
82. When did the women buy the spices?

After the Sabbath was past (Mark 16:1)
Before the Sabbath. The women prepared spices and ointments. Then, on the Sabbath they rested according to the commandment (Luke 23:55 to 24:1)
83. At what time of day did the women visit the tomb?

Toward the dawn (Matthew 28: 1)
When the sun had risen (Mark 16:2)
84. What was the purpose for which the women went to the tomb?

To anoint Jesus body with spices (Mark 16: 1; Luke 23:55 to 24: 1)
To see the tomb. Nothing about spices here (Matthew 28: 1)
For no specified reason. In this gospel the wrapping with spices had been done before the Sabbath (John 20: 1)
85. A large stone was placed at the entrance of the tomb. Where was the stone when the women arrived?

They saw that the stone was Rolled back (Mark 16:4) They found the stone rolled away from the tomb (Luke 24:2) They saw that the stone had been taken away from the tomb (John 20:1)
As the women approached, an angel descended from heaven, rolled away the stone, and conversed with the women. Matthew made the women witness the spectacular rolling away of the stone (Matthew 28:1-6)
86. Did anyone tell the women what happened to Jesus body?

Yes. A young man in a white robe (Mark 16:5). Two men ... in dazzling apparel later described as angels (Luke 24:4 and 24:23). An angel - the one who rolled back the stone (Matthew 16:2). In each case the women were told that Jesus had risen from the dead (Matthew 28:7; Mark 16:6; Luke 24:5 footnote)
No. Mary met no one and returned saying, They have taken the Lord out of the tomb, and we do not know where they have laid him (John 20:2)
87. When did Mary Magdelene first meet the resurrected Jesus? And how did she react?

Mary and the other women met Jesus on their way back from their first and only visit to the tomb. They took hold of his feet and worshipped him (Matthew 28:9)
On her second visit to the tomb Mary met Jesus just outside the tomb. When she saw Jesus she did not recognize him. She mistook him for the gardener. She still thinks that Jesus body is laid to rest somewhere and she demands to know where. But when Jesus said her name she at once recognized him and called him Teacher. Jesus said to her, Do not hold me... (John 20:11 to 17)
88. What was Jesus instruction for his disciples?

Tell my brethren to go to Galilee, and there they will see me (Matthew 2 8: 10)
Go to my brethren and say to them, I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God (John 20:17)
89. When did the disciples return to Galilee?

Immediately, because when they saw Jesus in Galilee some doubted (Matthew 28:17). This period of uncertainty should not persist
After at least 40 days. That evening the disciples were still in Jerusalem (Luke 24:3 3). Jesus appeared to them there and told them, stay in the city until you are clothed with power from on high (Luke 24:49). He was appearing to them during forty days (Acts 1:3), and charged them not to depart from Jerusalem, but to wait for the promise ... (Acts 1:4)
90. To whom did the Midianites sell Joseph?

To the Ishmaelites (Genesis 37:28)
To Potiphar, an officer of Pharaoh (Genesis 37:36)
91. Who brought Joseph to Egypt?

The Ishmaelites bought Joseph and then took Joseph to Egypt (Genesis 37:28)
The Midianites had sold him in Egypt (Genesis 37:36)
Joseph said to his brothers I am your brother, Joseph, whom you sold into Egypt (Genesis 45:4)
92. Does God change his mind?

Yes. The word of the Lord came to Samuel: I repent that I have made Saul King... (I Samuel 15:10 to 11)
No. God will not lie or repent; for he is not a man, that he should repent (I Samuel 15:29)
Yes. And the Lord repented that he had made Saul King over Israel (I Samuel 15:35). Notice that the above three quotes are all from the same chapter of the same book! In addition, the Bible shows that God repented on several other occasions:

i. The Lord was sorry that he made man (Genesis 6:6)

I am sorry that I have made them (Genesis 6:7)

ii. And the Lord repented of the evil which he thought to do to his people (Exodus 32:14).

iii. (Lots of other such references).

  1. The Bible says that for each miracle Moses and Aaron demonstrated the magicians did the same by their secret arts. Then comes the following feat:

Moses and Aaron converted all the available water into blood (Exodus 7:20-21)
The magicians did the same (Exodus 7:22). This is impossible, since there would have been no water left to convert into blood.
94. Who killed Goliath?

David (I Samuel 17:23, 50)
Elhanan (2 Samuel 21:19)
95. Who killed Saul?

Saul took his own sword and fell upon it.... Thus Saul died... (I Samuel 31:4-6)
An Amalekite slew him (2 Samuel 1:1- 16)
96. Does every man sin?

Yes. There is no man who does not sin (I Kings 8:46; see also 2 Chronicles 6:36; Proverbs 20:9; Ecclesiastes 7:20; and I John 1:810)
No. True Christians cannot possibly sin, because they are the children of God. Every one who believes that Jesus is the Christ is a child of God.. (I John 5:1). We should be called children of God; and so we are (I John 3: 1). He who loves is born of God (I John 4:7). No one born of God commits sin; for Gods nature abides in him, and he cannot sin because he is born of God (I John 3:9). But, then again, Yes! If we say we have no sin we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us (I John 1:8)
97. Who will bear whose burden?

Bear one anothers burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ (Galatians 6:2)
Each man will have to bear his own load (Galatians 6:5)
98. How many disciples did Jesus appear to after his resurrection?

Twelve (I Corinthians 15:5)
Eleven (Matthew 27:3-5 and Acts 1:9-26, see also Matthew 28:16; Mark 16:14 footnote; Luke 24:9; Luke 24:3 3)
99. Where was Jesus three days after his baptism?

After his baptism, the spirit immediately drove him out into the wilderness. And he was in the wilderness forty days ... (Mark 1:12-13)
Next day after the baptism, Jesus selected two disciples. Second day: Jesus went to Galilee - two more disciples. Third day: Jesus was at a wedding feast in Cana in Galilee (see John 1:35; 1:43; 2:1-11)
100. Was baby Jesus life threatened in Jerusalem?

Yes, so Joseph fled with him to Egypt and stayed there until Herod died (Matthew 2:13 23)
No. The family fled nowhere. They calmly presented the child at the Jerusalem temple according to the Jewish customs and returned to Galilee (Luke 2:21-40)
101. When Jesus walked on water how did the disciples respond?

They worshipped him, saying, Truly you are the Son of God (Matthew 14:33)
They were utterly astounded, for they did not understand about the loaves, but their hearts were hardened (Mark 6:51-52)

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"Slaves, obey your masters". That's in the Bible, too.

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The bible is poorly written, scientifically inaccurate, inconsistent, full of hate and fear-mongering, and its sole purpose is to manipulate and control the masses. How could you NOT be against that???

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A broken clock is right twice a day.

But it is still makes it useless at best, dangerously misleading at worst.

Certainly, a stopped clock is not worth studying, nor deserving of respect, much less of worship, especially since it is used to control and exploit people and to prevent them from becoming ethically informed.

Every once in a while,a diamond ring ends up in the trash. However, if you want a diamond ring, your best bet is to save your money and buy one at a jewelery store instead of going to dig in a dump.

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King James Bible, Luke 14:26

If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

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I'm not against that verse. But there are plenty of verses that are complete garbage.

And some are downright dangerous.

Like all other literature, the Bible was a book (or series of books) of its time. It did attempt to make sense of life, but it also justified horrific acts and was simply wrong in some places.

It'd be like respecting the Aztecs for their human sacrifices. Sure, they tried to make sense of the world by giving blood to their gods, but I don't have to like what they did.

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I am a little confused. You are an athiest but you are quoting the bible to defend the bible. Your quotes in defense of the book are very selective.

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Tiny amounts on acceptable platitudes compared to thousands of abhorrent statements does not earn my respect. My mother claims my father was a good man because he never beat up my disabled sister, totally disregarding the fact that he crippled and scarred me, beat her senseless and tortured our pets. Not convinced.

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You don't seem to know much about the Bible if you are defending it. I hope you read the verses the others are posting since they beat me to it.

@michaelinlivonia Hmm..perhaps I need to use the "block" button again. I usually block all people I wouldn't care to meet in person due to misogyny or anger issues anyway, and of course ALL alt-right people.

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You're doing what Christians do best. Pick and choose. I don't have any respect for either christians or their book. and I damn sure don't need either to teach me about Love.

Just curious... what’s inherently wrong with picking and choosing? Is choosing avoidable?

@skado My view on the bible is youu can always find good and bad in there, It has caused a lot of major problems for the treatment of mankind, I believe it was written to cause such confusion, A way to control the masses. If you spent your time pointing out some things that are what you believe are bad for mankind,someone else will point out all the good things it says that might help mankind, It's a pick and chose, leads to confusion and then to control. When it comes to religion and their books, it's my view to stay away from it.

@kenriley
It's interesting to me that so many people believe that the bible was written to control people but no one is offering any evidence to support that claim. Until they do it will continue to appear to be superstitious ideation to me. The history of religion stretches back in time before there even were any masses to control. There is sooo much literature on the psychological, and in particular, evolutionary influences that contributed to the formation of religious behavior the world over and throughout the entire history of Homo sapiens, it seems a facile oversimplification to just pass off the entire phenomenon as a conspiracy theory.

@skado It's interesting to me, That you used the term Conspiracy Theory, Which was a term used to discredit anyone questioning what the government might be doing. Which is was I was doing with the actions of the church. The bible is a collection of books that were written during a time in our history. The church top leaders decided what books were to be used in the making of the so called Holy Book, This book was passed along to the masses as the word of god. They also decided by using the word of god what would happen to man if he didn't follow this book teachings.The book has been used as a way to get money for the church, used in ways to start wars. used in ways that caused people to fear this god , and used in ways to cause worry as to what would happen to you in death if you didn't follow the word of god. So Yes I can say it's a way to control the masses. So is that an over simplification. Maybe.But I am finish now.

@kenriley
Religions go through periods of corruption and obsolescence just like governments and legal systems and businesses do, but we don't (for the most part) then say government and law and business are nothing but evil and need to be abolished. We just keep on working to reform them. Religions are particularly difficult to reform because they are considered by most to be sacred and not to be tampered with. But... over the millennia, even religions evolve and change to meet the real needs of the people, and so they must, and will, again. They are not just some obnoxious method of oppression cooked up by conniving human minds; they are emergent properties of the Homo sapiens species, just like beaver dams are emergent properties of beavers. Trying to talk humans out of practicing religion would meet with about as much success as trying to talk birds out of building nests. They can't stop, and they won't. But they might be able to learn how to build better ones.

@skado Very true

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Not saying there are not some good bits there bud (song of songs is one of mine) but so has the Odyssey. That doesnt mean we can't enjoy "Oh brother where art tho"
Plus the most important love that book teaches is love of god. Its the 1st commandment and the 1st golden rule. Now given that most people here think that there is no god to love. Thats not gonna be a place to find respect.
Secondly if there was hypothetically a god to love. Most people here would sign a petition to put him before the courts in the Hague for crimes against humanity.
Not to mention all the talking snakes, burning bushes, water into wine magic show bunkum and that old respect glass is looking quite empty.
Then you have the treatment of women in both the OT and NT. plus gays.
Then the killer is that Christianity is BS. Nice idea but like communism, its unworkable. You turn the other cheek ( how many believers would actually do this?) and your giving rights to someone who does not deserve them. You love your neighbor as yourself and your gonna get stomped on, give away all your possessions leaving you destitute and/or be an emotional wreck within short order.

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That hateful book needs lots and lots of sugar to coat it's sh...

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It's a totality kind of thing - the good advice is common sense - the rest is BS and if that offends you - suck it up buttercup.

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I look at The Hebrew and Christian Scriptures as I do any set of myths. J. Campbell postulated that myth has four functions and other mythologists add to that list, and The HCS serve all of the functions. However, how does one give "respect" to a book? That is a fallacy: a book is a recording of the thoughts of humans and in and of itself, is not something to be respected. One can respect the people who wrote it, but their motives must be examined. The authors of The Hebrew Scriptures had several: to record history, to validate the actions of the individuals and the tribe as a whole, to explain the existence of the universe, and to codify laws. The Christians Scriptures have some of the same purposes, but they differ from the older book. (And I am not going to elaborate because I do not have time to write a book here.)

Put together, it is hard to reconcile the god of TCS with the god of THS. For every verse such as the one you quote, there is a verse at the opposite end of the spectrum:

For Matthew 18:6, "But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea."

There is Psalm 137:9: "Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks."

For John 8:7, "And as they continued to ask him, he stood up and said to them, “Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone at her.”

There is Leviticus 20:10: "'If a man commits adultery with another man's wife--with the wife of his neighbor--both the adulterer and the adulteress are to be put to death."

This is not to mention the babies drowned in the flood or the genocide committed against the dwellers of Canaan when the Jews came to reclaim "their" land after the Exodus.

Words are words: the recording of horrific acts committed in THS cannot cancel out the reconciliation found in TCS. Maybe the Christians would have been better off to have abandoned those earlier texts.

But it is not the book that can be respected: it is the author and the intent of the author.

@DeeTee When I was a "Christian," that verse bothered me so much that I asked the pastor about it. He said the babies would grow up to be heathens, anyway, so they were actually better off. I have heard the same about the babies who died in the flood. Right.

@DeeTee Even inhumane.

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Which version?

A book that says whatever you want it to and contradicts itself on every issue, doesn't say anything at all.

JimG Level 8 May 30, 2018
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I give respect exclusively to people not inanimate objects. It's impossible for me to show respect to a flag or a book or even a country. It's only possible to show respect to another person because that person can then verify that they feel respected or disrespected by my actions..

As such, to point out areas where the bible got it right is not respecting it anymore than pointing out areas where the bible got it wrong disrespecting it.

I'm agnostic and I see the bible the same as any other book: a book, written by people, perhaps divinely inspired, perhaps not, but still written by people and read by people with bits that are right and bits that are wrong like most other books in the world.

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I can be against it because it's nothing but fiction. Poorly written fiction, at that.
It has plagiarized and cannibalized every ancient text that came before it.
It's been rewritten numerous times, and always to reflect the agendas of those doing the financing. It condatricts itself repeatedly.
It's full of hypocrisy, misogyny, slavery, murder, rape, and other acts of violence. The god of the bible is a genocidal extortionist with severe anger issues. Certainly not worthy of worship.
Yeah, the bible is a waste of paper. It's a shame trees have to die just to print that garbage.

@Faithless1 First off, you expressed your opinion, and so did I. My comment was not a "knee-jerk" reaction, and there is no way I'll be "pulling back" from it. I have studied the history of the bible, my opinions are rooted in my research. Plus, I've actually read the damned thing.
You don't have to agree with my opinion, but you don't get to tell me to change it. I disagreed with yours without doing that.
I think the bible is an unmitigated load of bullshit. It doesn't matter if there are any "pretty" passages, the majority of it is ugly, and it's been used to control and demean.There's nothing there for me to admire. I feel nothing but derision for it's contents and contempt for it's author's.

@Faithless1 I didn't say you made tha original post. I expressed my utter disdain for a book that has been used to harm billions. It doesn't require justification. My blood pressure is just fine, thank you.

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