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I think if all humans could understand and really have the following beliefs take hold, then the world would be a better place:

  1. We do not author our thoughts.
  2. Our behaviour is ultimately determined by our reactions to our thoughts and the environment.
  3. We can lessen the negative reactions and increase constructive response through mindful/reflective practice and intellectual realizations.
  4. Compassion for ourselves and others in the context of 1 and 2 can reduce guilt and increase acts of kindness and humility.

What do you think?

tsacrey 6 June 3
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It is quite Buddhist and I'm fine with that as I navigate toward that path. I'm trying to figure out #1 as I sorta get it in an off way. There is an idea out there floating around that random thoughts can be chemical reactions of brain synapses and we can accept them or reject them. What we have control over is the acceptance or rejection. I know that sometimes something pops into my head and I wonder where it came from. I dunno jury out for me on that one.

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Highly disagree on 1. I Do author my own thoughts. Who else would be doing it? Do others have sway on the information your thoughts are based on? Yes, but what I do and construct with that information and other information I learn is all me.

These are all great questions. If you pay close enough attention to your subjective experience, you might find the answers 🙂

@tsacrey I don't think I am the one in need of searching here.

@Shelly_Y that’s fair enough, I didn’t mean that in a snarky way 🙂 To each their own.

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2,3 and 4 i can see, but we do not author our thoughts implies that a separate party does, author to my mind meaning an external 'writer'. If i am not in charge of, and the progenitor of my own thoughts, including my reactions to stimuli both internal and external , then who/what is?

No one said there had to be an author.

@tsacrey, as far as the definition of author is concerned, yes there does, in that an author creates, be it literature or thoughts. So again, who is the author of my thoughts? Or what definition of author are you using in your proposition?

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Cute.
I recommend setting the phasers on kill.

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What authors our thoughts?

skado Level 9 June 3, 2018

Great question. Maybe there is no author.

I had the same thought... I author my thoughts; who else would?

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I'm surprised by the number here who jumped from we don't author our thoughts to the inference that another must then author them. We are complex creatures and more symbiote than self. Our thoughts, at the lowest level, come from that. They are "authored" by the whole entity and driven by environment. The statement that we don't author our thoughts doesn't imply any more than that.

Yeah, but is it true? Experts disagree.

@skado citation please? Most neuroscience experiments testing the idea of a free will that authors it’s thoughts show the opposite. I read this in Sam Harris short book “Free Will”.

@tsacrey

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seems like a larger 'lf' than normal.

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The trick is... knowing what we DO control...and what we don't, and figuring out the difference.

Control is an interesting word. I actually think that any attempt at willful control of ones thoughts and it’s perceived success is actually an illusion. In most cases, a gentle attention paid to the present moment, without judgment, will allow thoughts to pass naturally.

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honestly, I think the best rule to live by is simply "Don't be a dick; the world does not revolve around you alone"

I actually think that each of these rules are a longer way of saying exactly that, and includes the “how to not be a dick.”

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This reminds me of an old country western song. A young philosopher stumbled into a bar and tried to enlighten a couple of old cowboys with his wisdom and poems. They explained that while he was well intentioned, he was all wrong. The. The path to truth and happiness is "faster horses, older whiskey, younger women and more money"! Lol.

I think you've got a good working concept.

Thanks PARD-ner! 🙂

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I often think if everyone had a pet, they would be kinder, happier, and less competitive.

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I think that the Ego, the I is derivative from the We, without whom no human Ego is possible.

If thoughts arise from desire and our desires arise from what others desire...then yes we don't author own own thoughts, we learn roles from others, parents, teachers, society in general, and we make these desires and thoughts our own (our Super Ego). Our compassion, our guilt, our kindness and humility arise then out of the community where we find our self thrown.

I wonder how much the need to lessen negative reactions makes sense if thoughts arise from the desires which I share with others. It would seem to me that I would be better off experiencing as much as I can on a practical basis (ethically, rationally, aesthetically} so that my choices are informed by direct experience.

cava Level 7 June 3, 2018
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Ambiguous...you may have a clear picture of what you have said, but there is too much room for interpretation.

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Absolutely. The premise of authoring your thoughts or somehow being responsible for them and hence feeling shame and guilt over the negative ones is one of the most fundamentally wrong things about the cosmology religion foists upon us. It wasn’t until I started studying Buddhism and meditating that I realized that’s not our responsibility and it’s impossible to keep your thoughts entirely pure. Entirely counter productive to try unless you’re completely ok with failing. But a nice poetic metaphor I heard for this was: you can’t be responsible for a bird that lands on your head; you can only keep it from building a nest there.

I love everything you said here, my hero!!

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Maybe I understand #1. As an analogy, I do not author my computer’s “thoughts”. A computer’s internal processes are regulated by programming and by input data. If we have a higher essence outside our bodies, and that higher essence is our true identity, then it makes sense to say that “we” do not author our thoughts, rather they are automatically generated.

#’s 2&3 seem to say that our higher selves do have ultimate control. I do not control the internal processes of my computer, but I do have general control and oversight of what the computer does.

#3 seems very reasonable. It is a mistake to make harsh negative judgments on others, and by proxy, ourselves. If our computer goes off course anger and blame are senseless. There is a reason for everything that happens within a computer. To fix the problem higher oversight is needed, not guilt, blame, or demonization.

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the first point seems a bit awkward. I may not understand what you mean

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Yes I think so. I tell my children life is about the choices you make and how you choose to react to the random things.

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The first one kinda stumps me! I can see where we learned our thought words from others, but eventually don’t we work out our own words for our individual thoughts? But, I would buy into the package!

@icolan Maybe nobody is.

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I agree with what most everyone else has posted up to this point, I have a problem with the first point. You have to explain why you think we do not "author" our thoughts...or what exactly you mean by that phrase or statement.

Maybe if it had a qualifier that our thoughts are not "authored" by anyone - showing that there is no creative element to them whatsoever - that they just happen. But to say we don't author them, for me, implies that there is some other author to them. I'm not on board with that concept, and definitely not on board with it being something people live by. People would take it too far, essentially saying they aren't responsible for their own actions, because their thoughts aren't their own. If they aren't their own...whose are they?

As usual with most discussions I imagine the problem will be one of semantics, and the meanings you attach to a word, versus the meaning others attach to it.

The problem is the implication you have inferred. I didn’t say there was an author at all, and that is what I was getting at 🙂

@tsacrey Then how can we not author our own thoughts?

@JimmyOneLeg93 How can we author them? Where is the little “Jimmy” located in your mind that controls everything about you? I’m not being an ass, I am genuinely curious about this. See if you can find him 🙂

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All of your points contradict each other. Our reactions are our thoughts. Mindful reflections are also thoughts. What correlation does guilt have with kindness?

I don’t see the contradiction.

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I think that my thoughts disagree with most of you have said.....who author that then if it wasn't me? Please enlighten not only me but all of us

I cannot enlighten you.This is a path one must take on their own. Search your experience.

If I search my experience then I author my thoughts. According to you that's not the case and I say it is. Where is the paradox? I am sure we both know the answer

@IamNobody interesting...

@tsacrey I think the most interesting part is that clearly we both disagree and we have managed to discuss the issue without any disqualification resources, which now a days I would say its a big victory for both of us. Have a good day !!

@IamNobody 😉

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I may not author my thoughts, but I have learned to edit the fuck out of them! #lifeskills

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What does 'author our thought's even mean?

@RobLes Which quote?

By author our thoughts I mean that each individual is truly responsible for consciously creating each thought that crosses our minds, such that everything that happens downstream of that thought is a causal chain with our “self” at the beginning.

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Are you talking about programmed robots? I love how we are now but it'd be great if we had right flexible laws which could be changed or improved over time and every living human is made aware of laws or is given a assistant for laws. How would one know they are doing wrong without knowing laws? Atleast in this modern age. And I really don't want to memorize the whole book of laws or constitution. And at last it's all about one's own consciousness. What fun it'd be if everything is same?

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