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What If You Were Never Born.....

Take a moment to think about this before you answer!

If you were never born and did not exist, what are some
negative affects of you never existing?

I have always believe that everyone has a purpose, Some times that purpose is significant, and sometimes not so much, but as humans we affect each other in many ways without realizing this often times.

If you are a Parent, Please Don't state the obvious :
"My children wouldn't exist"

I would like for you to think about all the family members, friends, lovers, co workers, homeless people, customers,
etc, that you have encountered in your life time and tell me:

what would be some negative affects of you never connecting with these people, using your current life as an example.

Me:

1.If i had never been born, the very first negative impact of this would be that my mom would most likely be in a nursing home with an amputated foot or leg. My mom lived alone up until last year. She did not know she had diabetes and chose to conceal the fact that she had lost one of her toes because of it. One weekend when i visit her, she must have forgotten to put on some socks, and when i look down and saw her foot, it was obviously infected and missing the second toe. I immediately took her to the ER. Turns out the infection had spread to her bone in her foot causing Osteomyelitis. Mom was in the hospital for 2 months on IV antibiotics to kill the infection and save her foot. Thankfully, it was successful. My point to this story is that I am the only child of my mom who has a medical background out of 11 siblings, and i am the closest to my mother. If i did not exist, i know for a fact my siblings would not take care of my mom, because most of them can barely take care of themselves and are self absorbed. I have my mom with me and i will have her until she or i Die.
2. If i had never been born, my niece would not have be an FBI Agent. Her mother, my sister discouraged her from doing something she really wanted to do.Not only did i encourage her to follow her dreams, i would also assist financially with her education. Once she finished college, she did 2 years as a peace officer, and applied, and was accepted to the FBI academy and is currently a local agent!
3. If i had never been born, i would have not have had the opportunity to encounter literally Thousands of patients i have had the pleasure of treating their cancers and watching their tumors shrink to remission, and also the patients who unfortunately did not make it due to cancer progression. I cannot put a number on how may family members of patients i have laugh and cried with during and after treatments and i am very thankful to have experience this in my life

"No matter who you are, I believe we all have a purpose and we are all connected on some level"

twshield 8 June 12

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Can't agree with your idea of ''purpose'' because (to me, anyhow) it implies predestination and that's not a concept I embrace. So..had I not been born, the world would go on just fine. The people I've helped would find someone else and my friends wouldn't laugh quite so often...but they'd be fine.

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I don't believe we have a purpose, but potential. I don't think very many humans have ever done something that wouldn't have been done without them. The whole idea of having a purpose for being born, and reeks of a divine plan.

Our purpose is ours to determine, and not some preordained destiny determined at the beginning of time.

JimG Level 8 June 18, 2018

you are not the first person who claim issue with purpose. I see purpose as such. We tend to equate it with religion because we were conditioned to associate them. I see nothing wrong with a human having purpose. the planet has purpose, and the universe that houses the earth has purpose. our understanding of these things are extremely limited when considering all the possibilities.

@twshield I think we, the planet, and the universe exist via the anthropic principle, purpose is what we assign.

I don't associate purpose with religion in as much as I ascribe it to a creator. A dam has a purpose, whereas a mountain is merely a geographic feature that stands wherever tectonic plates and/ or volcanic activity placed it.

@JimG well I get where u are going with this but we have to remember that we don't know everything. a mountain may not have a purpose from your perspective but this doesn't make it so. I believe a human has many types of purpose. The most important basic is to survive. when a person gets sick, do they just let themselves die..no they take action to preserve their existence

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Hmm, lots of inspiring comments here. Good question to consider. I actually have, since a very young child wished that I had never been born, and was pretty pissed off about it, and felt it was a rather selfish act to bring me into this domain. So full of injustice, cruelty and suffering. The mad and bad are rewarded and the truly good stomped upon. I am here, and a teacher, so I know people’s lives have been positively affected by me, and I made some significant discoveries at university, so added a bit to archeological and ancient glass knowledge! However, my annoyance at being born into a giant shit show made me choose not to have children myself. And when my body starts to fail from some shitty disease, I will go to Switzerland and check out on my own terms.

Livia Level 6 June 13, 2018
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I'll try to think about this some more, but the first thing that comes to mind is that how if I had not been born Little Debbie's profits would have been much less. those are beautiful things you've described @twshield. great post.

I went and thought about it a bit.... I think the main thing is it a lot of my friends would have been less loved, that some of my family would have been less loved, and a couple of cats and dogs too. there might have been some fewer laughs, and some fewer tears. that's what it seems to boil down to it for me.

@hankster well Hankster, you are great guy and i believe all the people you mentioned and animals, have benefit in a positive way because of your existence!

@twshield thank you sir, I'm sure many have fuller and better, and longer lives because of your generosity. ✌️

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If I had never been born my children would never have been born _ I was the first woman plasterer in the U.K and helped set up 'women in manual trades' so that mght not have happened.

jacpod Level 8 June 14, 2018
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I do not believe that we have a purpose in life and it is impossible to predict (in hindsight) what our nonexistence would have meant. Take the example of your niece--she might never have been born because the life of your sister would have been much different without you. She might not have married the man she married; she might not have had children.

I have heard many people say that everything happens for a reason, but we make the reason in consideration of the event. It is the same with purpose; in hindsight (that word, again), we decide the purpose of an event or our "missions" in life.

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If I hadn't been born someone else would have filled the roles I have for others.

perhaps but maybe in a different way because they are not you

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When you stop and think about it, we touch 100s of lives every day and we've been essential in the lives of at least a few. Yeah, job wise I know I'm replaceable, but my personality, my caring has made a difference in many lives. Hell, two grandchildren wouldn't be here if not for me. Think of the old movie "It's a Wonderful Life". You do make a difference.

very well put! i had hoped someone get the meaning of my post and you did!
our lives matter and make impacts on others.

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If I had never been born, nothing would matter. My absence would not be missed.

I respectfully disagree sir. I know there are people throughout your life you have made an impact on. even that waitress you gave a tip at a resturant

@twshield You seem to be confusing two states of being, one in which I exist and one in which I don't. They are not in any way equitable. The fact that I do exist, yes, I've had an impact on the lives of many other people (hopefully more for the good than the bad). But if I had never been born the vacuum of my absence would have been filled with others, I would be unknown and unknowable -- so where's the harm?

@rcandlish the vacuum of your absence would be filled with others, which could possibly result in a different outcome.

@twshield Indeed that is true. But any such alteration in time & space, & human relationships would have nothing at all to do with me. So I couldn't be held in any way responsible since in such a scenario I wouldn't exist, or in any way be missed, not even by my non-existent self!

@rcandlish I never implied these changes would have anything to do with you, as you would not exist or be conscious. I am more focused on the lives of those you encountered.
what would their lives be like had they never encountered you in a different reality.

@twshield Who knows my friend? Just as good, if not better I'd hope.

@rcandlish agreed

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i would love to never have been born but how would i know lol still it is a wish

If you had never been born, our community would not have gotten a chance to know you and to enjoy the awesome picture of that "burger cycle" in your profile.

@twshield I also have a huge ass family very prolific bunch and I have been blessed in so many ways but its been a hard life full of bad shit lol my grands hate when I say I won't be here much longer and won't be long ill have great great grands polluting this world lol

@whiskywoman well i am glad you have lots of family but please treasure the time you have here because Human life is short compared to infinity.

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Richard Dawkins says it best; Basically; we're extraordinarily lucky to have been born. If anything is an unexplained miracle, its the fact that we're alive for short time, as a human being....considering the 200 million sperm our father had, and the hundreds of eggs our mom had - the odds of us being alive are incredulous. Be thankful...to no-one in particular. If you're #Religulous then being in this body is "a short visit to heaven"....so thank god...whoever she is....

[commonsenseatheism.com]

great point! Thanks

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There would be one less human to wreck it all!

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There would have been a lot less sarcasm and silliness.

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My mother was a drug addicted alcoholic teen who slept around and couldn't get her life together. If I hadn't been born she'd be dead.

wow that is something. so your existence saved her life!

@twshield that's what she and my grandparents say

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My nonexistence may affect a few lives, but nothing significant.

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Today has been mostly awful. The love of my life, who loves me just as much as me her, didn't get in touch all. It transpires that of all the people getting conceived and coming into existence over the years, she wasn't one of them. To make matters worse, I was hoping to find an envelope in the street today containing £0, but the person who shouldve dropped it never turned up due to being existentially unavailable. On the plus side though, I didnt get hit by a bus as the company couldnt find their ideal driver and had to hire somebody else who had done the whole being born thing. He was late due to not skipping a red light like the other guy wouldve and I'd already crossed the road

Salo Level 7 July 1, 2018
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When you die you will return to the state you were before birth, that is atoms. No consciousness or anything else.

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I have spent a fair amount of time pondering the nature of existence: mine and existence itself as well as what those two things have to do with each other.

On the surface of it, I want to say if I never existed, then I would never even have known that existence existed. But wait - it feels like it can't be that simple. How could existence itself exist and not insist on me knowing about it?

I mean...in previous ponderings I have come to an inescapable conclusion: nothing is impossible. No I do NOT mean that ANYTHING is possible! I mean it's not possible for there to be nothing. Let's face it, though, particle physics is a search for something and an effort to prove that something really truly exists and as yet it's yielded no results.

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I heard something once that stuck with me.

"It may be that your sole purpose in life is simply to serve as a warning to others"

Seems right.

dellik Level 6 June 29, 2018

Many may differ but i believe humans have a purpose and this has nothing to do with religion, but just the human connection

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Being not ever born is similar to there being no universe in which to exist. Keep in mind that we exist within our mind. Apart from that we may not even exist at all.

Dwight Level 7 June 24, 2018

that is one possible scenario but remember no one has the answers which is why i posed this question to allow people to consider the infinite possibilities

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Just think of the infinite number of creatures that have never been conceived!

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For anyone with depression or feeling like they don’t matter, this is an excellent question.

For one thing, if I weren’t born my mom would likely be depressed as she was and still does struggle with the sibling born before me who has severe mental health issues. My gay brother wouldn’t have an unconditional ally. And I have done animal rescue for decades. There’d be an advocate and hands on rescuer missing for many cats and dogs.

Thank you for asking this. Perspective is always helpful.

Thank you for letting us know how valuable you are!

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If any one of us had never been born, then an entirely new dynamic (or series of inter-related dynamics) would have come into existence. The set of circumstances which required you to be the one to take mom to the ER, counsel your niece, and provide care to thousands of cancer patients, would not have unfolded in the way in which they did. For myself, I don't really think that the consequences of my absence or earlier departure from the planet could be neatly laid out as in 'It's a Wonderful Life' - better just to appreciate the good (and try to ameloriate, or at least minimize, the harm) you've accomplished thus far.

well anything is possible but my goal is to hopefully allow everyone to see their value and contribution to their personal environment.

[commonsenseatheism.com]

@twshield A great idea. I was just arguing that if anyone of us had not existed, there would have been no me-shaped void in the fabric of time. When I retired, I was reminded of just how dispensable we are once we have departed (or, in your example, never existed to begin with):

  1. Take a bucket and fill it with water
  2. Plunge your arm in as far as it will go
  3. Remove your arm from the water
  4. Observe the empty space in the water left where your arm had been
  5. The hole left in the water is the full extent of our individual indispensability

@moNOtheist thats a good example but what you are describing is a mere reaction to an element which has no contsious. I would agree with you if our existence was that simple

@twshield It's simply a metaphor, included to demonstrate the point that, if we ourself had not existed, events would simply have flown on without us, as will the school from which I have retired that is, unlike the metaphorical bucket, filled with consciousness, albeit adolescent and young adult.

@moNOtheist again I totally get that, however I still don't see the correlation to human life and existence with out conceding our lives have no meaning. I could never believe that.

@twshield I think there are some sailors who may disagree with that idea of water having no consciousness! I don't know what it means but I know a couple of longtime professional seafarers who have strong views on that point.

@Geoffrey51 absolutely nothing wrong with having a view point, which is why i posed this question. As humans we live in a world that forces us to have one dimensional thinking.Most of the comments seems to suggest that purpose equates to religion or belief which i do not believe. I believe everything in the universe has purpose or there would be no reason for its existence. What that purpose is, we may not know.

@twshield I have no doubt, speaking personally, that our lives are without any meaning other than that which we give them.

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Well, that family in Poughkeepsie would probably still be alive.

Honestly, it's a totally moot question. To speculate on what the world would be like if you never existed is like asking what is the density of blue?

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If I had never been born, my mother would probably have died from skin cancer several years ago.

Deb57 Level 8 June 13, 2018

so it is important that you are alive and was there for her when she needed you

@twshield In my view...a happy coincidence!

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