Almost 9 years ago, my beautiful sister was taken from this world from being sick from cancer.
I hate it, HATE it when someone says, “Oh, it’sall part of God’s plan.”
What part of God’s plan induces pain, suffering, sorrow and death for no reason?
I worked in Pediatrics at Mt Sinai in NYC for twenty years. No loving god would let the things I saw ever happen babies and children. My experience there convinced me that there was no god and no plan for us. I go ballistic when people say that I usually reply quietly, No, it is not.
Offering empty platitudes eases their suffering when confronted with reality. Thoughts and prayers might fill someone's coffers, but will never benefit anyone in need.
I think it's cognitive dissonance resolution. People who say things like that have bought into "god's plan", and when bad things happen, they have to lie to themselves to keep the belief strong. Anyone who will lie to herself will extrapolate that lie to anyone else feeling that pain in order to strengthen the resolution. It's psychotic, delusional Behavior. I don't think that people who will do such a thing are capable of considering the feelings of others. I am sorry for your loss, I know that time makes things a little easier, but it never makes the pain go away completely.
Of course it's a lie.
Even the Christians who say that stuff didn't get it from the Bible, since they seldom read it.
Jesus always told people who were healed during his ministry that it was THEIR faith that healed them.
In Mark 11:23, he said that if anyone or "anything" (the Greek pronoun includes all declensions) tells a mountain to throw itself into the sea, and believes it (Greek word includes both conscious and unconscious thoughts), the mountain must obey.
No mention of god or of it being "god's will" for some mountain to fall into the sea, which could presumably cause tsunamis.
The idea being conveyed is that we are co-creators of our own universe..making our own reality.
“Consciousness is fundamental, and matter is derived from consciousness." – Max Planck, theoretical physicist who originated quantum theory, 1918 Nobel Prize in Physics
It's a conundrum for Christians. If their god is all powerful, he has power over evil and pain and suffering. They can try to blame it on some devil, but an all powerful god would also have power over the devil. So, it has to be part of some mysterious plan that we mere mortals cannot understand. I'm not that dumb.
Because it's an easy excuse to give as a way to avoid telling the truth which is that we can only play the hand we are delt.
Any one ever hear the term god-fearing?
They don't think their God is good... They know in their hearts he isn't...
They don't love him, they don't really understand how they feel about him.
They fear him...
So much so they offer up consent for unjust murder rather then challenge his will or doubt his power... The rest is just words.
First of all, I'm truly sorry for your loss. People live what they learn and we have to decide it if comes from a genuine emotion or not. I get the anger, I went thought it with the loss of my husband and mom. The people that knew my husband and mom were genuine about their feelings and used God and Jesus to as their coping mechanism, they used what they knew and I let it slide.
The only person I have control of is me. I choose how to act and react and only I will get the benefit or suffer the consequences for them. The people around me will either learn from me or ignore me. It is after all, their choice.
It is a platitude, makes them feel better for not actually doing anything or having anything thoughtful or empathetic to say.
They don't say it for your benefit they they simply don't want to admit their god who they are terrified of, is a c<>t
I think it reinforces the belief that they are not in control, and that god is the ultimate arbiter who doles out both rewards and punishments.
I'm terribly sorry for your loss. I hope you can find some comfort in the memories of happier times.
As for the why, well, like nearly all things regarding human behavior there is more nuance to be found in the why then most people care to admit.
Some people believe they are being tested. That the bad things in their life are meant as a challenge to be endured to prove their faith to themselves and others.
Some people believe dark forces have conspired against them in an attempt to undermine God's Plan. But they have faith that His plan will ultimately win out, even if they don't live to see it.
Some people believe they are surrendering control to Him as a way of coming to terms with the overall lack of control they have in life.
Some people belive the whole "acts in mysterious ways" line. They think that with His perspective on reality being so utterly alien to our own we can't possibly understand Him and his choices any more then a sick animal can understand why a veterinarian just stabbed it.
And these are just a few reasons why. There are almost as many reasons as belivers. Just remember that, by and large, the people who talk about Gods plan in the face of hardship and tragedy aren't trying to upset you. In their lives such a statement is meant to reassure and comfort. It's what they want to hear in those times because it helps them come to terms. So of course that's where their mind goes when trying to help others cope.
Because then the incomprehensible makes sense, and they don't have to think about it much. I am so sorry for your loss.