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MEN: What would your reason be for asking a woman what she does for a living, upon meeting her?

I'm always sensitive to how men feel being asked this question right away by women. I don't ask, and I'm much more interested in learning other things about a man before knowing his occupation.

Imagine you've just met a woman, briefly discuss the weather and she asks, "So, what do you do for a living?"

I find men do this very often and I'd like to understand why, from a man's perspective. Is it that it's very important to you, or that you don't know what else to ask, or is it that you think you'll learn about her more quickly, by knowing? If so, would you be stereotyping? Has anyone made certain assumptions about you that were incorrect, based on occupational stereotypes?

Examples: Lawyers are dishonest; Investment bankers are ruthless; models are airheads; artists are flaky; construction workers are not that smart; accountants are boring..

Women are welcome to comment! I am just curious to know the motive behind men asking this question right away.

*I'm adding to this, as I'm getting a lot of "Just curious" replies which I don't believe addresses the question. Why are you curious? What will it tell you, that you need to know, in the first few seconds of meeting someone?

*Thank you all for your replies!

Athena 8 July 8
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I think I ask it just to continue the conversation, it usually leads to some more questions and insight about that person and maybe a way to find common ground.

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I, for one, recognize profession as the tip of the iceberg when learning about an individual. If I were to discover someone who has a career rather than just a job, that is rare and fascinating to me.
But to apply a mosaic of stereotypes based on profession, culture, race, religion or political bias is to miss the point of asking questions in the first place. IMHO.

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I am an older man and I have found that question very male by nature. Men, when they meet, will soon be talking about what they do for a living. Yes, it is a bit strange when you think about it. Perhaps, and I can't say for sure, young men still do that and they do it with women now. In a way it is a matter of equality. I like to know what a person does. I am a film editor and I compose music. Have a nice day.

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I'm a woman and have been asked this question by men and I have asked this question myself. I don't mind the question and I don't mind answering it. It's just a piece of information that can help you to see how a relationship with that person fits together. I always thought guys just wanted to see if I was self sufficient and can take care of myseIf and not become overly financially dependent on them. I understand how people are concerned about being in a relationship where they could end up being the sole provider. Most of us want a partner you can build a future with and work together towards a decent life. Myself, I just like to know that they have a job! I mean it's just a practical and real life question. However, I have been asked how much I make. That's not cool. It doesn't matter how much you make. That's just someone looking for money. I think what you do for a living is a very practical question and leads to us feeling a little more secure about entering into the relationship. I'm cool with it.

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I would ask women that question too, but not first. I am more interested in who they are as a person than what they do, although I realize there can be a link between the two. It will come up anyway, sooner or later, but getting to know a person in other ways is much more fascinating.

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It is an icebreaker, I get asked this by both men and women (I am male) and am just as apt to ask it of males as females. Typically anymore at my stage in life I already know what someone does for a living when we start talking, though.

PDF Level 5 July 16, 2018
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Just to make conversation if you what you do for a living is your passion it says a lot about you and therefor paints a good picture of what type of persone you are and if you don't like your job can still be a good conversation as why your in this line of work and what you can do to change that

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I think of it as a general curiosity. For many people, their work lives are either part of who they are, or just a job. Either way, by asking about their line of work, you learn a lot about a person in their response.

My 2 cents, as always.

DerekD Level 7 July 16, 2018
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I am under the impression this is often attributed to Americans, as we culturally seem to place higher immediate value on income and social standing derived from profession.

I think it happens in some places more than others, yes.

I'm Canadian and live in a large cosmopolitan city. It happens here a lot, and much more than it would in a rural area of another province.

@Athena I wonder if it's just part of the urban mating dance then? Also there are fewer options in rural areas so it has less impact unless your at an extreme end of the scale.

@geist171
I think it may be that and what you already mentioned; the importance we place on status and money in larger cities where it seems to matter more.

Forgive me for my repetition as I replied just above a moment ago.

Please see (if you're interested) my follow up post with the title, "8 Questions...Other than What Do you Do?"

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Encouragement

Some women don't like to talk about what they do for a living because they feel that it doesnt help them better themselves or because they feel the income earned isnt enough. When I ask, I also ask if they like what they do, and I encourage them to keep doing what they are doing. Gotta remember we live in a world of fake economies and "jobless recoveries" so having a job is better than being unemployed or victimized by "jobless recoveries".

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It opens the door for more questions.
I use it as a gage. It can show a lot of the woman's personality. Depending on the follow up questions it allows one to dig into her personality.
To see how her ego is and gives a glimpse of her of lifestyle.

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I don't tend to ask a guy that early on as I feel it's kind of like asking "How much money do you make?" I also feel awkward when people ask me the same question as my work is about the opposite of glamorous.

Carin Level 8 July 9, 2018

Some guys seem to worry about being taken advantage of financially so I try to be considerate of that. (Like their idea of a bad date is paying for a nice dinner & not even getting a peck on the cheek. Our idea of a bad date is being raped &/or murdered. But oh well.)

Same, i do not.work in my field right now either

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I always ask because so much of our time is devoted to earning a living. It would be worse if I asked 'How much do you earn?'

Forgive me for the repetition as I've responded similarly here.

I think we're all in agreement that it's very important to learn how someone spends the majority of their time. This is especially if you'd be interested in dating them!

However, at one point does the question become appropriate?
"Hi Maverick, I'm Athena."
"Hi Athena, what do you do for a living?"

My question was about the need to find out immediately. I'm not asked this in social settings - maybe due to the banter being distracting and entertaining. It happens often through social media or, in past, on dating sites.

The only reasons I can think of, that a guy would ask me this so quickly, is that he has poor conversation skills (not knowing how to get to know someone outside of that question - I do find a strong correlation), or this is a quick screening question for them to decide if I'm someone with whom it's worth "moving on to the next round" based on income or status.
Things in common or occupations that hold morally opposed implications are a concern, absolutely.

Maybe wait 5 minutes to ask? Let a person know you're interested in learning who she is, independent of her profession? Maybe show her you're an interesting person who doesn't have to rely on the answer to "what do you do" in order to have anything at all to say.

Also, my work is often very intimidating for men, in ways that surface later in conversation. I love what I do, but it says nothing about my morality or value system in any broad sense - at all.

@Athena Very True. Most of the interesting stuff I do has nothing to do with my employment. The art of conversation has really been lost on many people. I myself have often found myself resorting to cliche questions simply to attempt to start a conversation.

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It's generally just small talk. I'm not looking for what you do so much as what do you spend your time thinking about. I wanna use that to open up the conversation.

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Depends on who is asking and why. It could be innocent in just making conversation and or a way to get to know the other person. What someone does certainly provides some information about who they are.

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It's always a double edged sword. I've seen woman have a complete attitude change when they lean what kind of job I have. If a woman is a "gold digger", that can mean they are nobody to trust for mariage, but a one-night stand opportunity.

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Honestly it’s just one of a long list of questions I ask when I am first getting to know somebody. When people tell me things about themselves, I don’t really judge them, nor do I ask questions with ulterior motives.

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For most people, most of their waking lives is spent at work. And like it or not, your job says a lot about your social status, your values and possibly your expectations. I know women who are Engineers, Doctors and Scientists. I would find these women more interesting than a waitress. What if her occupation is topless dancer? Many of them are outright prostitutes. That comes with baggage I would never want to deal with.

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I think that question is more attributed to our cultural norms, than anything else. Just like asking about the weather or how someone's day went. We ask out of habit, not for the answer, but for the human interaction.

I prefer to ask women if they're happy, what motivates them to get out of bed, and if they know they're beautiful.

Marz Level 7 July 9, 2018
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I ask EVERYONE what they do for a living. It's just a means of starting conversation.

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Because I have social anxiety and can't think of anything else to say?

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I don't normally ask about work until it comes up in regular conversation. I guess I just don't care that much? I don't feel as if my work defines who I am.
I'd much rather get her talking about something she is passionate about. That makes for a more interesting and informative conversation in my opinion. If that happens to be her job, she'll bring it up long before I will.

You sound like a really worthwhile person! & you explained it so well.

@Carin
That is so amazingly sweet of you to say!! (Blushing). I tend to feel like I over explain things sometimes.

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The occupation itself may not define the person, but it may indicate the amount of ambition, may show their interests (if they are passionate about the work), and if they'll have time for a guy. If she works a ton or has irregular hours beyond reason, then tjatay not work out so well.

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Personally it is because I am not great at small talk. I can't think of many other questions I can ask which have an answer worthy of discussion (ie suitable small talk topics) that are less personal.

What question would you ask someone you knew nothing about? Alternative topic suggestions might be quite useful.

JoeC Level 3 July 9, 2018

What brings you here today?
How's your day been so far?
Have you been to this venue before?
How did you hear of it?
How do you like to spend your free time?

All of these questions get answers that lead to more questions. Sometimes people volunteer their profession. You always get there, but if it's first question you ask, it says something about you.

@Athena I think 'how do you spend your free time' would be worse as a first question. It would feel a bit overwhelming to me in terms of options, and feels a bit like an interview. The others might work well depending on the situation but might result in one word answers not leading to more questions (eg why are you at this stand-up gig? To see the comedy. How did you hear about it? Facebook).
It's interesting that you think it says something about me. What does it say? Might you be jumping to conclusions?

@JoeC
These are questions I presented as an alternative to asking what someone does for a living. There is a natural flow to conversation, that doesn't sound like you're in an interview.

Asking what someone does for a living does tell me something about a person. It tells me, either interesting conversation is a struggle, or that occupation is very important to a person. As a first or second question? It tells me it's part of a process of elimination.

I have a job that I'm extremely proud of and I love. I'm not avoiding talking about it, but I think from the answers here, it will tell you that some people do think it's fine to ask, within seconds, in order to determine whether someone is worth your time.

Isn't being around someone for a few minutes, seeing their facial expressions, demeanour, warmth etc., a determinant in itself? Or, does it always come down to occupation, right away? I appreciate people who have more depth when "choosing" people, for just a conversation, or more.

I have met the most wonderful people who, upon first glance, would not be considered potential friends, or partners. I have friends of all ages, races and income brackets. Life is richer that way, as people are rich with contradictions.

@Athena I got that they were alternatives. They don't seem conducive to a natural flow to me.

I do struggle with starting interesting conversations with strangers when I don't initially know whether we have anything in common. I have interesting conversations with people I know. Is that a characteristic you don't want?

I also think it might be a bit weird watching someone's facial expressions etc would be a bit weird if we weren't having a conversation.

@JoeC
I meant reading their facial expressions during a conversation, not while hiding in the bushes. 😛

It's bad form to ask someone the question right away... I mean, right away.

I find it really difficult to get the point across that I'm not referring to asking the question. There's simply more to ask and more polite things to ask initially.

It comes down to this. If you're good at true connection, the questions to find that out, are not found in THAT one. I've had friends for 20+ years and I couldn't tell you anything about their job description.. but I can tell you everything about what they love to do, how they think, what brings them joy, and what makes them tick.

Hate to even mention this... I've given courses on the art of conversation.. and the entire time is spent teaching people how to avoid the usual go-to questions that make conversation ordinary.

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Just an ice breaker really, not intrusive but shows an interest. I don't think it's any deeper than that.

Although if I met a woman in a wet suit playing a banjo I would ask 'What the fuck do you do for a living?' 🙂

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