I am an Agnostic. I am Pro-Science, Pro-Contraception and Pro-Women. I naturally support contraception methods and sex education to prevent unwanted pregnancy. I also support further research in contraception solutions that would be better and more accessible than what we have. Maybe a one-time cheap and covered implant that would allow women not to never become pregnant or a chemical solution that would make a male's sperm temporarily infertile. Solutions that would create a world where women could effectively control their bodies with powerful contraception methods and consequently never having to go through unwanted pregnancy nor the choice of having or not having an abortion. Abortion is an unwanted pregnancy and it is not a fun experience and we should prevent it at all cost.
I argue that to value unborn life and regard it as sacred in non-religious terms, would probably foster better pre-natal care and research in preventing fetal abnormalities for they would be regarded as worthy and as humans society lost. Another point is with regards to socioeconomic challenges pregnant women face. To accept abortion as a go-to solution for women usually discriminated in the workplace is to choose not to address the challenges women face in the workplace when they are pregnant. Abortion seems to be a solution that discourages the pursuit of real solutions for women finding themselves in these difficult situations. Abortion freezes progress in other important areas of social justice and science. Some ideas include to encourage businesses through tax-breaks to allow women to work remotely from home or tax property breaks on large companies having nursery on the ground floor of their companies for their employees etc.
I want to address the common comparison we make between human zygote, human fetus and fully developed human. I'd say that all human life exist in what I call a life continuum where fertilized eggs in a viable human womb are meant to become fully developed human beings. The farthest identifiable point in my existence, is at the moment of contraception where most my physical traits identifying me as human today were created. Contraception is sort of my biological birth whereas delivery is my physical birth. You are meant to live tomorrow unless I kill you today. Unborn children are meant to become members of society unless we kill them. From a philosophical standpoint, non-action would result in more people being among us, which is why one may argue that abortion is murder for that it eliminates people from society that would have been here otherwise.
Lastly and more importantly assuming that we are moving toward a world where ectogenesis will allow humans to be gestated outside of a female womb, it will naturally increase the worth of 'unviable' human fetuses. I think at some point women will no longer have abortions, but rather end their pregnancy through early delivery and allow these 'expulsed' human fetuses to be gestated in machines, on their own, in order to become fully viable. Women may object to the right of the fetus to be gestated outside of their womb and want them killed through abortion but that's another issue. In a sense human fetuses would be no different than humans living with respiratory machines. At this point society may have realized that any abortion performed in the past, was murder, since human rights don't come with scientific progress.
What's your take on my 4 points?
Murder killer nice buzz words you've got there. If all that stuff you alluded to come to pass, and there is never again a reason for a woman to want one. Great, until then if a woman has something in her body that she doesn't want in it, her choice. I like you am anti abortion, but I'm also pro choice.
Most of the fervent pro lifers are only pro life until the child is born, then they could give a shit what happens to the child, youth,and adult that comes after. How many more children do we need, we already have plenty. How many have you fostered?
How much time do you spend volunteering at an orphanage?
Why call yourself Pro-Life? Why not call it like it is Anti-Abortion. I would think some one calling themselves pro-Life would be interested in the quality of life. Anti-Abortion is about your right to make decisions for others. Maybe Anti-Freedom would be a more descriptive term. I am against the Anti-Freedom crowd no matter what kind of mask they try to hide behind. Go in peace.
This seems to have hit a nerve considering all the comments. At one time I was against abortion. That was before I heard other sides. I find the present pro-life movement extremely anthropocentric. Even though we may be non-religious and don't believe in immortality we somehow feel our species is special to the point of dismissing all others, many upon whom we are dependent. In reality it should be termed pro-LIFE (writ large to include all other life forms). Our life form is destroying many, many others.
The context of the 2nd para is one in an idealistic world. We don't have the resources for 3.5+ billion women. It assumes all women would be loving, caring mothers, they are not (I have experienced examples of this). It is also not just about women. It is rightly said every child should be wanted, loved and have a reasonable chance of success. Many comments have been made on this site about the chances for future generations. The way things are going they are slim.
Lastly, we once had a discussion with one of the partners in the firm where I worked. He was a 'flaming' Catholic with 5 kids. He said that if his wife were to get raped and get pregnant they would not have an abortion and raise the child and love it as if were conceived normally. We both realized this was BS (no one can predict what they would do/feel given a certain circumstance) + the fact of how a child would feel were it to know it was the product of violence. Never mind the genes that child might inherit from the father. Every abortion should be legal and rare (right now the abortion rate in this country is the lowest ever). There is also the phrase "if men gave birth, abortion would be a sacrament" and I seriously believe that!
#1 currently we are very limited and birth control methods. Many women cannot be on birth control pills or implants for medical reasons. Many medications that women take even exposure to sunlight can render many birth control methods ineffective or lower their effectiveness.
#2 your arguments here are utopian solutions that don't exist, therefore are of no help and do not assist pregnant women facing reality. In a perfect Society the opposite would be true .in order to encourage women to give birth these changes would indeed be made.
#3 if conception of a human is sacred and meant to be, why does nature itself cause spontaneous abortion or miscarriage for 25% of all conceptions. If I live in extreme poverty with a drug problem what chance of having a quality life does my child have? Again, there is very little if any way to prevent serious birth defects from occurring. There is also no way to determine whether or not a fertilized egg will even make it to birth and then make it through birth . Calling abortion murder is going to involve looking into the future which we do not have the ability to do .Human reproduction is completely mindless and random. so to say there is a purpose for every human conceived in the womb certainly you must be referring to a higher power/ god who has plans for the egg. The fertilization of egg and sperm in a laboratory creates a human being that was not meant to be here. Should we be against that? it's the same argument, just at the opposite end of the argument.
#4 pure science fiction not even a part of the discussion in modern Society. It is also becoming more and more widely acceptable for those with terminal illnesses to be able to end their lives and therefore not have to live on machines.
Would you consider you might be obsessed with this to a mentally unhealthy level?
I know its an odd argument but roe v wade is flawed logically.what they actually said was since we can't know if its a person yet its okay to kill it,thats the same thing as saying im inconvenient and you find me lying in the street its perfectly ok to stick a knife in me just to be sure.
How is it possible for the law to protect the rights of two people living in the same body?
You make good points. People who are considering abortion should think over what you have mentioned here and then decide. There should most definitely be a choice.