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Years ago read about the development of the bi-cameral mind that explained....at the time made sense to me......try " the orgin of consciousness in the breakdown of the bicameral mind"..

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That was most interesting! I think I will keep reading and may include more classic fiction (I am a non-fiction reader). Lol

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Because women weren’t allowed to write in books in the old days and men never have had any feelings and they wrote all the books

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Feelings were invented around 1800 by Jane Austen. Some publishers edited old Shakespeare scripts to include them.

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Haven't read the article - very sorry and will make a point to read it later as it looks really good, but the first thing that comes to mind is something I read somewhere (possibly a real life psychology book) where they theorised that in ancient times, everyone was technically schizophrenic and they believed that the/any voices in their heads were not their own, but of beings outside themselves, hence religiousness. Which then might explain the lack of awareness surrounding feelings (also sorry if the article actually mentions this and I am being silly).

I'm not so sure about the schizophrenia, but I do believe that religion is basically unconscious images being projected outwards.

There is also the fact that ancient civilizations were for the most part built on militaristic cultures (Homer and Ancient Greece are a good illustration), and that as empathy/feelings and killing other human beings don't go well together, a culture of suppressing one's emotions developed (stoicism).

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People seem very emotional in ancient fiction, especially men. Always getting mad, jealous, vengeful & what not. & then they can't control their feelings & start wars & kill people.

Carin Level 8 Oct 23, 2018

But as they point out in the article, these are stereotypical emotional reactions, with no characterization of the thought process behind them. You know--someone attacks your country, and you get mad and kill them. There's no complexity or internal dialogues that might reveal the way these emotions came about.

Ahh, simpler and happier times!

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Just the facts, ma'am, just the facts. 🙂

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Individualism came later

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the article is about reshaping the mind; the observation, which may or may not be apt (i think it is partly true and partly untrue), that ancient literature doesn't deal with feelings, is almost a side issue.

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True. That was just kind of a starting point.

I agree the article is more about reshaping minds, it skips quickly over the one important fact about how ancient litrature differs from the modern when it mentions the printing press mainly only in one paragraph. And the example it picks to start is not truely fiction at all, but would have been seen as history by the standards of the day. The real difference is that before the press a large library was five books, at a cost of thousands of dollars each in todays money, and those few books had to cover at lot of bases, the bible was a popular book because it covered history, fiction, physics, natural history etc. there simply was not space for a lot of detail, or to create a lot of book types, with a few exceptions there simply was not a difference between history and fiction, which is why it is so foolish to take old books like the bible as factual.

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My guess would be because it was men writing and men don't really think with feelings that much. They are more analytical an to the point without worrying much about the feelings.

jorj Level 8 Oct 22, 2018

You don't consider anger, revenge & jealousy to be feelings?

@Carin I would consider them emotions and somewhat feelings.

@Carin revenge I wouldn't really put in that category tho, revenge requires a plan which would make it more analytical.

@jorj I guess we need to define our terms then because I think they 2 words mean about the same...

@jorj Sometimes, but sometimes not.

@Carin I would say feelings trigger emotions but emotions don't always come with feelings. For example, one of the days where everything just makes u mad but u have no real reason why. Emotions and feelings are intertwined but not necessarily the same.

@jorj interesting point!

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I always thought it was pretty accurate the picture of the caveman hitting the cavewomen with the club seems kind of painful.

What reason do you have to think that was accurate? They've found all kinds of tools in caves & I've never seen a club. & I get Archaeology Magazine too.

Could that be an ancient ‘old wives tale?’

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Because until the millenials came along, we just dealt with life and didn't waste time with participation ribbons and "feelings".

Ah, the good old days....

😉

@Humanistheathen ....no one cares about the feelings of the Millennials except the Millennials. 😉

Sorry, but I disagree. And this article has nothing to do with millenials.

I'm pretty old & I'm here to tell you that everyone in the "old days" had feelings.

@Carin @tnorman1236 It's a shame that so many people on here seem to have had their sense of humor removed.

@SkotlandSkye Sorry. Your statement didn't seem like a joke when I read it. That's the problem with textual communication.

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Interesting. I still prefer non-fiction.

I'm about 70/30 in favor of non-fiction.

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