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In the Bible where Jesus says "He who is without sin the first stone" Two questions come to mind:Why did she cheat and why didn't the man whom she cheated with get punished?

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For the same reason that Hermey the Elf is practicing dentistry instead of building Santa's toys... both are fiction.

In other news, the Bible was written and edited by men who were a wee bit misogynistic.

AndrewInVail Level 6 Feb 7, 2019
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Actually Santa was a real guy.

But Hermey the Elf was not.

@AndrewInVail True

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And after the first three rocks were thrown, Jesus said, "Let me rephrase that"!

Sticks48 Level 8 Feb 8, 2019
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She cheated because her husband was a dud.

She was punished because women were treated like animals and it was easier.

The bigger question is, why is this shit still going on all over the world?

PalacinkyPDX Level 8 Feb 7, 2019
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I second the final question--why???

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In many countries, women are still punished for adultery even if they are raped.
I have read one version of the story that the woman had a forced marriage and had been 'unfaithful' with her original lover.

Amisja Level 8 Feb 7, 2019
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Read the first book of the Bible- it’s always a woman’s fault.

Jk1960 Level 5 Feb 7, 2019
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Given the excessive misogyny found in almost all religions and Christianity in particular, for the life of me I never understood why any women would go along with it

bookofmoron Level 7 Feb 16, 2019
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Jesus is just a fictional character made up by drunken sheep herders....I would love nothing more than to bring this character into existence, then execute him violently right in front of his brain-dead followers....yeah....Daddy has a dark side......

goldenvalleyguy Level 8 Feb 16, 2019
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It's a book that is supposed to be filed in the fiction aisle. The writers could make the story go any way they wanted it to go.
Asking why something in the bible happened is the same as asking why something happened in Game Of Thrones.
A ridiculous question.

micktoz Level 5 Feb 15, 2019
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I think you are on the wrong website to be quoting he bible 😂

BeKind19 Level 2 Feb 8, 2019
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I don't think that at all. Its interesting and worth it to discuss these things

@Amisja what is there to disus Amisja? Most people on this planet will not be convinced that black is black and white is white.

@Gregory2 my name is Jayne. We should open to discusding anything here.

@Amisja You're right, Jane! We should be able to rationally discuss any and all topics that people are comfortable with talking about.

Randy

@Logician Its JaYne with a y

@Amisja I'm sorry about that, Doll! I'm always used to seeing no Y in that name.

Rand (hehe!)

@Gregory2 You sound a little like Bill Maher. I agree with most of what he says. Most people in this country are stupid and I might be one of them. He is definitely right about religion and Islam.
This comment was meant for Gregory2., sorry.

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@Grecio I don't think that believers are necessarily stupid. Many of them are not that interested in learning and science. They are intersted more in relationships, communities of us rather than putting it all together by by analyzing the parts while trying to understand the whole. We humans are irrational by nature and it's a good thing. If we weren't we wouldn't be human. It would make perfect sense to kill grandma when she becomes a drain on our resources that we could otherwise use towards the future generations but we don't that. We are not robots. Beliefs are a part of that human irrationality. Unfortunately, on a global scale, religious beliefs do more harm than good but that is the best evolution could do. I guess. Tribal instincts in the age of weapons of mass destruction are a bad thing.

@Grecio, @Amisja Some things are not up for discussion. Earth is not flat. Vaccines don't cause illness, they prevent it. Those things behind airplains are just water. Yes, we landed on the moon. Things like that.

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Technically, both she and the man should get stoned, but women received the brunt of the punishment, and for at least a couple of reasons:

  1. There was a double standard. It was generally accepted that men could play around but women needed to be faithful (this thought continued for centuries and is still around today). This is due to patriarchal standards of: a.) Women were the property of their husbands. b.) It was vital that any child conceived by a married woman be that of her husband. Why would he waste his time raising the child of another man? This emphasis is also seen when the Israelites conquered others: the virgins could be spared, but their new husbands/owners were not to have sex with them for a year. This ensured that they were not already pregnant.
  2. Women were temptresses, luring men into having sex with them. Men were notoriously weak in their ability to resist women--Samson is proof of this.
Gwendolyn2018 Level 7 Feb 7, 2019
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Thou shall not covet thy neighbours wife

It's true, I am notoriously weak. So where are all these temptresses I hear about? Am I not worth the tempting or something???

@PatrickKerr I guess that means I can covet my neighbor's husband.

@Paul4747 Hey, baby, You're kinda cute. I bet you have all kinds of big muscles, too. I have some candy here in my pocket--wanna reach in and get some?

@Gwendolyn2018 I'm on a diet. But I'd be happy to reach in your pockets anyway. smile009.gif

@Paul4747 I already ate the candy so you would be out of luck anyway.

@Paul4747 fiction

@AmmaRE007 and stereotypes

@Paul4747 Did she mean that the Bible is fiction or that it was fiction that I had candy in my pocket?

@Gwendolyn2018 Might have meant that the temptresses are fiction...

@Paul4747 They are a stereotype, but I would not say that they are fiction; the "temptress" has some basis. Women had no power beyond their looks and sexuality. If they had money, it came from their fathers and/or husbands. In the Hebrew Scriptures, Deborah was a ruler/judge of the Jews, but she was an exception (though it points to evidence that the Hebrews might have been matriarchal or, at least, were not always so negative about women). For centuries, women used their "wiles" (and still do) to get what they wanted and needed. Men stripped women of their power and then, condemned them when they used the only tools at their disposal.

On the other hand, women still bore the brunt of outright lies in the realm of the temptress--which they also still do. Men still claim that they cannot "control" themselves when they are attracted to women. We had to cover our legs, our breasts, and even our hair to keep from inflaming lust in men. This is why Islamic women wear burkas. Women can show cleavage and wear short skirts and it does not mean that they are temptresses, but some men will still shift the blame.

@Gwendolyn2018 True. And I blame their weak-willed asses. (The men, that is.)

Seeing something desirable doesn't force one to reach out and take it. Temptation is not coercion. Attraction is not compulsion.

@Paul4747 Well, yeah! We are in agreement on that.

@Gwendolyn2018 Well, if anyone were ever going to tempt me, I would want it to be someone like you. smile009.gif
And I would definitely ask permission before giving in to the temptation, although I think in that situation permission is implied. I mean, if the lady is doing the actual tempting. That came out wrong, I think, but I think you know what I mean....

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@Paul4747 The problem is that some men see signals where there are none. I had a man on a dating site make indecent proposals to me. When I refused, he asked me why I had "those pictures" on my profile if I did not want to have sex. My answer was, "Oh, I want to have sex, just not with you." Never heard from him again. But the point is about the pictures: they are the same pictures that I had posted on Facebook where my family, friends, and former students could see them. There was nothing risque or "sexy" about them. He saw what he wanted to see. This has happened more times than I can count on both dating sites and real life.

But yes, I knew what you meant!

@Gwendolyn2018 I love that line...
"Oh, I want to have sex, just not with you."
If I ever write a great American novel, my heroine will speak those words to somebody. If I have your permission to quote you, that is.

@Paul4747 Well, I plan on using it in my novel--you have to cite me.

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Society progresses; Religion doesn't.

think-beyond Level 6 Feb 7, 2019
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Because Christianity

jerry99 Level 7 Feb 7, 2019
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For those who believe they are 'free' from religious influence I think this post says it all. Nope.

K9Kohle789 Level 6 Feb 16, 2019
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Why did she cheat? Who knows? The man she cheated with is not considered wrong in any way because it is a man's world both then and now. If this was a real situation at all maybe Jesus found her attractive and wanted her for himself. Who knows?

DenoPenno Level 8 Feb 9, 2019
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Always liked that story. It's one of those that really illustrates the fairy tale quality of the bible, even without the magic parts.
An angry mob of self-righteous religious men, and not one of them believed he was without sin?

To answer your second question: Some men hate women and will take any chance to "legitimately" punish one.

MLinoge Level 6 Feb 8, 2019
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The mythical Jesus figure cheated when he, as an immortal god, offered to sacrifice his life for whatever. The basic premise of the religion is a lie.

Gregory2 Level 3 Feb 8, 2019
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I think you may have conflated a few different verses into a single incident. Besides, what does it matter? Religious stuff doesn't have to make sense, right?

evidentialist Level 8 Feb 7, 2019
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how might the answer to those make the point any clearer, do you think?

bbyrd009 Level 6 Feb 20, 2019
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The story is a very late addition to the bible, possibly only added in the middle ages, and even if the bible is not total fiction, this story almost certainly is. And in any case the woman is not the point of the story but only exists to show up the falsehood of her accusers, it would work just as well if she were a man or a thief or a murderer the details are trivial.

There is a very common hypothesis among historians that most of the more liberal of the Jesus teachings are the later additions, and that the hard line old testament preachings were the only ones in the earliest lost copies.

Fernapple Level 7 Feb 16, 2019
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I think that the quote is "he who is without sin cast the first stone ". Like a similar quote "If a man lies with another man he should be stoned" Just a misinterpretation, Good grass in the desert back then.

Moravian Level 6 Feb 16, 2019
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Why would you punish the man? Was he in another relationship and cheating as well? Did he know she was in a relationship? Not enough info. I don’t get it.

indirect76 Level 7 Feb 7, 2019
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That pericope to which you refer is not found in many of the manuscripts and, when it does appears in wildly different places. So there's a lot of textual doubt about it.
Putting that to 1 side, no one knows why she cheated. There is no information provided to tell us, for it's not germane to the author's aim.
The man under Torah would have been punished. He may not have been married. However, this pericope focusses on her so as to make the point that those doing the stoning are hypocrites.

The whole pericope is a moral tale about hypocrisy but it's probably a fictitious tale

Doubting Level 5 Feb 7, 2019
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I am always amazed at how the God of the universe is so interested in the sex lives of humans.

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I don’t know or care, I lost interest when I read that Jesus ate with tax collectors, sinners, and republicans.

Mortal Level 8 Feb 7, 2019
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I'll eat with Republicans, but they're picking up the tab. We all know they have the cash.

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Why did she cheat? Do you seriously want us to speculate on something we can't possibly know? There are a million different scenarios that could have been the case if this even really happened. It could have been justified or not but is this even relevant?
Why didn't the man get punished? Maybe he did. The old testament says that both should get killed. But maybe there is also some sexism involved in this scenario, it's not like bible has a shortage of that.

Dietl Level 7 Feb 7, 2019
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One note on that saying.
That was not in the older versions of the NT, it was added in the first King James Bible.
Actually, so were a lot of other quotes. and stories.

TristanNuvo Level 8 Feb 7, 2019
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