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Should women still act like women and men like men?

What I mean with this question is should the man be the one pursuing the woman and should women still be feminine and enjoying being courted?
Because of equality the lines have gotten so muddled that men sometimes feel insecure and women feel they have to be very strong. What is your guys take on it?

Lovewins 5 Mar 30
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It's different now. We also have more transgender people coming out as well. #Metoo is out as well. Men aren't asking as many women out because they are afraid of sexual assault charges.

@wpayton5599 Men in real life around me never ask me out. I'm fine with that.

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We live in an androgynous society.

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Nothing has really changed for me as I never acted like a creep to begin with. I have pursued and been pursued. I am just me.

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You should be yourself. If you enjoy being pursued great. if enjoy pursuing then have at it.

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We tend to forget what the past was like "When men were men" and women couldn't wear a short dress without being called promiscuous. You might be tempted to say we can separate out those negative social norms, but I would argue that you can't have it both ways. You can have a strong man (Domineering and in control) in the privacy of your bedroom, but if you have men acting like that outside, in the world, it will come at the expense of equality and respect for women.

@OnaM I need more information. I don't understand what you're objection is. Please if you don't mind be specific.

I understand what you're saying and agree!

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I would not expect anyone to be something they are not. These social norms you are talking about are just that, older social norms which are being challenged by younger generations. I don't think that's a bad thing. Where is it written that men have to pursue and women have to sit and wait to be pursued? gag If I like someone, I talk to them. I date men and women and I think a lot can be gained by learning to both pursue and be pursued. Women are enculturated to wait and wonder while men decide to ask them out. Look at lesbian culture and you will see that this can be done away with when the expectations are gone from such enculturation.

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I think people should be free to behave in ways that please themselves.

I tend to be dominant and a blend of both masculine and feminine. So if I wanted a particular man, I pursued him, and didn't wait for him to notice me. The key to my success was, I think, putting men at ease, being open and curious, warm and affectionate, taking a deep interest in them, touching them frequently (their hand, their arm) and being comfortable talking about sexuality.

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The stongest economies in the world are countries that have the greatest freedom and respect for women. Countries that keep women barefoot and pregnant are 3rd world countries.

..or on their way to becoming one.

@ailurophile Yes ...you are correct. Countries that do not allow women to participate in the economic activity are wasting a very important human resource.

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Be as you feel but don't let it be a surprise. If I'm approaching you because I think you're shy and suddenly you've taken control, I'm probably going to back off.
If you're dominating and approach me then suddenly are standing there like a deer in headlights, id think you just broke something.

I have no problem with the female taking the wheel but don't stop in the middle of the road expecting me to tell you where to go in this adventure.

I may have missed the perfect partner because I didn't know or couldn't read the signs she was interested. I think we should break barriers and say things like, Hey, I am interested in you and go from there.
Mind you one must expect and respect rejections.

You'll never know if you don't ask, right?

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Adapt or die. Alone.

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A man can be masculine and a man can be feminine. A woman can be feminine and a woman can be masculine. That's my take on it anyways. There's nothing wrong with identifying as the gender you feel most strongly with. Whether that be cis or trans.

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People are going to have a spectrum of variation in sexual dimorphism, and this dimorphism can also be psychological, not just physical, due to all species of factors, really.

That being said, it's not really sensible to try to make people act a certain sex-specific way, when almost nothing is known about those people.

One can talk about health implications about certain lifestyles, but that's really it, anything else is going to be traumatic to a person.

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People are people and there is a broad spectrum of behaviors that may or may not be related to their physical characteristics. It is an old issue but I think people just need to be allowed to be and not tie it to male/female masculine/feminine since a lot of those definitions vary subjectively themselves

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Lots of great comments. Apparently the whole dating, relationship or progreation dilemma has not changed much. At 65 the issues are the same, terms may have changed but the game is the same.

I have always been a bold, friendly and sometimes sassy person who is female. But a 'tomboy' at heart and prone to not following the stereo typical girl stuff. NOT a girly girl. When I dated as a young sexually active person, I did not so much go on dates when someone paid. I did resent it if the guy paid and he thought something in exchange was at the end of an evening.

I have to admit it was ALWAYS a challenge. I found when I was in the long term relationship, being my out going sassy self was less complicated. Seems direct eye contact is confusing for all of us on some level. Culture plays a role and adds to the complications.

I say just be yourself, discover yourself and talk, communicate.

Love your comment and I can relate.

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The key word in your question is "act". Men and women shouldn't act like anything and just "be", and not worry about fulfilling anybody's expectations. Granted that's easier to say than to do for a number of folks. But you shouldn't stop being yourself just because some arbitrary set of rules makes it harder. Men have always felt insecure, women have always felt the need to be very strong. Acting in a way that denies any of it will inevitably hurt you.

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I think we should all act like who we are. The entire "act like" thing is societal pressure. I say screw societal expectations. Accept me as I am or fuck off. I'm a human who is made up of emotions, experiences, morals, and I will not conform to societal pressure. It's easier since I turned off the TV over 20 years ago. I'm not inundated with forced pairing expectations. Sometims I'm insecure (not very damned often) and that's okay. Be the change you want to see in society.

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Gender roles are ridiculous and outdated. They served a purpose - possibly - in caveman times, but the industrial and informational revolutions have made them mostly obsolete. I do believe that we will see them decline in the next few generations. I certainly know that teenagers today see gender roles and gender identity as more spectrum-based than binary.

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I do not think that traditional roles have ever worked well for everyone. I think each person should act according to the own natures and desires as to who pursues in courtship.

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I think it would depend on the situation. I for one am not an agressive chaser, so if I don't get an I'm intersted signal then i do not push it. On the other hand I'm not opposed to being chased so it depends.

BillF Level 7 Mar 31, 2018
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I've done it both ways. If a man wants to court me I'm all for it.

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Since most men, me included, can't fathom how to connect, I think there would be more connecting if women took over 😉

SamL Level 7 Mar 31, 2018
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I have to say I was not surprised to see the way the question turned. So I will be brief (well as brief as I can be)!
I believe that Men should behave as GENTLEMEN!
It's clearly about respect, courtesy, and here's an old fashioned term ... being proper!
In being such it confirms that men can be polite in such a way that a woman see's strength. Courteous enough to see conviction.
And show enough propriety that leaves no doubt that he is in the presence of a Lady!
Now if you're referring to relationships then Love her so much that you leave no doubt that she is your partner.
Listen so well that you leave no doubt that her thoughts matter.
Speak so well that you leave no doubt that any decision is mutual.
Lead so well that you're able to follow.
The lines are not blurred so much as one would think ... Offer to court ... smiles ... what fun that is.
I say it all starts with a conversation ... and let that lead where it may!
If I went on a tangent my apolgies!

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I will always practice a certain amount of chivalry. I am turned on also by a certain amount of "tomboyishness". I think it's about respect and the kind of person you want to be with.

I re read the second part. I didn’t think it was a problem for a woman to pursue. When both are pursuing you know it’s great.

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You got to be exactly who you are,EVERBODY else are all ready taken, and who else could
you be, what ever you are ! That's one of the problems of this so called humanity they want you to be just like them , it boost their ego!

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I think this is a great question that does not have a simple answer. My answer is it depends on which generation you're asking. If you are asking someone who is older then they will be inclined to say yes because those are the norms they grew up with, those are the life circumstances that were dictated to them, so changing presents financial and psychological difficulties. If you ask someone younger then they will say no because they see the struggles which existed in the past and wish to enjoy an evolved existence with all the benefits that come from equal rights and equal responsibilities.

Im "older" and ive never put up with any rubbish about stereotypes. So please adjust yours.

I have to disagree! I'm older and do not consider the norms of my youth to be appropriate for today. I've evolved with the times and anyone I would even consider having a relationship with should have also.

@GoldenDoll This whole post is about stereotypical roles changing. I am speaking from experience. When I date an older women they almost always expect me to pay for everything. When I date younger women they offer to pay for half of the meal, the tip, or offer to buy some drinks. I have read a lot of literature on this topic that supports my position.

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@BeeHappy Just google the question. Do older women still expect men to pay for their dates?

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@kensmile4u, ok, that might be most women but it's not me and never has been. I've always been an independent person. I will turn down an invitation if I can't pay my way. Having said that, IF someone offers to cover the cost I won't usually refuse and I will express my gratitude a minimum of twice. But that's me and I believe I'm in the minority. ?

@BeeHappy Thanks for being in the minority and thanks for being you! 🙂

@kensmile4u You're welcome. I couldn't be anyone else! Lol ?

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