Agnostic.com

58 10

Does someone have to be college educated to be intelligent?

It certainly can help, but is it a must? I don't think it is a guarantee. I think it depends on your line of work. I can have in-depth philosophical conversations with all of my college counterparts (one's that are very well-versed in a wide array of topics, one's that I do consider intelligent). I have gained general knowledge about many topics through research and reading many books. In other words, I responsibly took matters into my own hands because I never really cared for the structure of our schools. I can outwit plenty of college-educated folks (especially theists), because I noticed that even if they are reasonable with most things, they can be unreasonable with other things (I'm in no way implying that people that are not college educated are more intelligent on average, just that it is possible). I'd like think I have done my best without college. I still have taken several of college workshop classes that are structured differently since I found them to be much more useful in my personal pursuit of knowledge. What do you think?

AustinSkepticus 7 Apr 2
Share

Enjoy being online again!

Welcome to the community of good people who base their values on evidence and appreciate civil discourse - the social network you will enjoy.

Create your free account

58 comments

Feel free to reply to any comment by clicking the "Reply" button.

6

Hell no. I'm almost entirely self educated and got within the 98th percentile in the nation (10 years ago, but I haven't stopped learning everything I can). Trump graduated college and the guy is as intelligent as a lead paint chip.

Now begs the question of what type of intelligence is considered intelligent? I know genius who can solve mathematical equations blindfolded underwater but can't tell how many PSI should be in their tires. I know people who are highly intelligent in many areas, but borderline special needs in others (I fail at mathematics. I can only do the basic addition and subtraction...I'm talking single digits, but I scored college level in reading, writing, comprehension, history and science in middle school.)

@LadyAlyxandrea Adaptability, Achedmic or How many iPhones can you sell in a year ?

@Nickbeee I am adaptable and academic but I probably couldn't sell a single iPhone especially because I hate apple lol

@LadyAlyxandrea Haha!!!! I use Mac laptops (pc's too - I mod em all).. Good for music.. I am not made to sell stuff !! haha. Being kinda fundamentally opposed to the capitalist system on one level - Don't like I phones though .. use android .. Chinese Elephone lol .. ten core processor £140 . . I phones are overpriced more than the laptops lol

@LadyAlyxandrea Everyone has their weaknesses. Just makes us human.

6

I teach at a college and some of our professors are dumb as a post! Knowledgeable in their field but plain 'ol stupid as people. Sad.

1

IQ is mostly hereditary, as was proven in identical twin studies, but can be influenced by diet, opportunities, length of nursing time when an infant.

Most great scientists and world changers were either tutored at home, or self-taught, since they couldn't or wouldn't fit in with mindless public school education.

Also, I would imagine the majority of great scientists and world changers throughout history lived before public school was an option.

@marga Not really. Even Amerigo Vespucci was passed over for a university education by his father, so he educated himself and learned with an uncle. Einstein paid a friend to answer during class roll calls, but skipped class because of the outdated and incorrect things being taught at the time.

3

I'm educated and I'm lucky if I can get my clothes on right

LOL. I like you. You're funny

@SherryMartin thanks

7

Nope, I know plenty of well educated morons.

Yep, you find a lot of them in governments all over the world. 😉

1

Sapiosexual here. Attracted to ones mind and intelligence. Its kind of like book smarts and street smarts. Its better to have both but as long as you seek to educate yourself, you're smart in my opinion. Immerse yourself in the power and beauty of knowledge!

Smarts is a must have trait, in my opinion.

3

I just barely graduated high school and begrudgingly attempted a brief online college course years later. And yet...I'm still wicked smaht (despite a slight New England accent and major potty mouth causing me to seem otherwise at times).

The problem is not that I'm unintelligent. It's that I don't learn the way the school system wanted me to and I get bored very easily when I am not hands-on learning. School was hell for me for those reasons, and I saw little real-world use for the information that was being fed to us. It all seemed to be a waste of time. No one, myself included, understood that my brain is just wired differently. All of my current knowledge was learned through life experience or from genuine interest in the subject.

So, long story short, I believe intelligence is innate and cannot be taught.

In fact, some of the smartest people I know went to trade school and graduated with no debt and an instant career. They do very well for themselves now! I often kick myself for not doing the same.

I think you just summarized my exact struggle with school. I always had teachers telling how smart I was but they were confused why I didn't want to complete homework assignments that I considered of little or no value, just busy work. I stopped studying for tests starting my sophomore year (I hated what I called a culture of too much testing not enough learning. It was mostly about briefly memorizing a bunch of things, regurgitating these things on paper, then forgetting about it the next week. On top of that, despite seeing that critical thinking would be taught on many class rubrics, I learned practically no critical thinking skills in HS). Strangely enough, I passed the majority of my classes despite not studying for them (even completed many classes with 90%s and 80s). I had enough 2 months before being done with Junior year and dropped out. Two months later I passed all GED tests on the first try (didn't study for that either lol), almost all my scores were near the advanced score besides math, which I passed narrowly.

3

No. We have been conditioned to equate human worth with pieces of paper whether they be signed off on by a dean or have pictures of dead presidents on them. What you are capable of learning and what you do learn are two different things. We currently have all the information in the world at our fingertips and anything we want to know we can learn. A piece of paper does not make us more or less intelligent. Knowledge is attainable by anyone. There will be some jobs that will require a degree but most don't. Figure out what you want and decide if the expense is worth it. But don't sell yourself short if you don't have a degree. There is little that they will teach you in college that you can't learn on your own. If you need to be around like-minded people then look through your local MeetUp groups and find people that you mesh with. Anyone that treats you like you are lesser because they have advanced degrees and you don't isn't very intelligent, they are insecure and weak.

some of it seems like elitism and bragging rights.

1
3
3

Definitely not.

3

Yes the fact that you do your own research shows your intelligence. However, I keep convincing my intelligent 22 yr old daughter who had college paid for to go back and get her GED. Unfortunately in today's world you need more than a high school diploma if you are career minded and want a livable income. Technical school, community college, vocational training is continuing your education and prepping for a trade.

4

Perhaps in college you get exposed to some ideas that you wouldn't self educating yourself. College can also help give structure to your intellectual pursuits that you don't necessarily get on your own. But otherwise education and intelligence are two different things.

4

I've known a lot of college graduates who are complete morons

5

Intelligence isn't about going to college.
Going to college doesn't guarantee intelligence.

2

Intelligence and a college education are two different things. A college education has no effect upon a person's intelligence.

3

Many intellectuals of the past were self-taught.

[en.m.wikipedia.org]

0
0

Absolutely not. Intelligence is very likely a personal skill and maybe we don't really understand yet why does happen with some people and not others. On the other hand, the value of college education is that you get to strech your brain muscles and develope techniques that will help one succeed if one is willing to put the time and hard work. No shortcuts here. So, both valuable and if you can have both, intelligence and college education then that's awesome if you make the most out of it

1

You can be educated and stupid at the same time. Educated and smart are two completely different things. And you would be very surprise to know how many people who are not college educated have higher IQ's than those who did persue higher education. Quote to live by: assumption is the mother of all fuck-ups. I am not knocking higher education (I have two batchelors and a masters) but I have seen my fair share of college educated people who can't fix a flat tire or change the oil in their car, light a fire without a match, teach their child how to swim, teach a dog to sit, read a map, live without TV or a cell phone, remove a broken lightbulb from its socket. Something to think about.

LJ49 Level 4 Apr 2, 2018
0

I agree completely! I have read thousands of non-fiction books, attended lectures, I bought The Great Couses, on the study of religious, philosophy, psychology, and many studies on the brain. All this study has paid off in my old age, compared to my peers! But, I do see, where the college discipline is need, if you are to pursue one career choice! And you need the 'record' to prove your worth in a specific study!

1

I have a girlfriend who only had a GED out of high school. She does read voraciously, and really is pretty self educated. Her son has a PHD from Cornell.

1

There is a difference between knowledge and intelligence. One comes from gathering knowledge, the other from thinking critically and logically.

MrHIT Level 5 Apr 2, 2018
1

In August, I will be a Freshman in college again. I'm going back to finish what I started. I want my career and I want to be highly educated. I also think that you don't need a college degree to be intelligent.

2

Well, since I have no college education, I would say of course someone without one could be just as intelligent. My father had no college education, and was one of the smartest, as well as wisest people I have ever met. He read very widely and constantly. I've inheritied many of his books, and he would write in the margins, discussing things with himself. I have tried to read as widely and educate myself as much as I can, and I would like to think I'm almost as smart as he was. A college education is no guantor of intelligence.

Write Comment
You can include a link to this post in your posts and comments by including the text q:48822
Agnostic does not evaluate or guarantee the accuracy of any content. Read full disclaimer.