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Do you stand for the anthem?

What are you thoughts on saluting the flag? I always thought it was a pointless ritual similar to worshiping a rock. What really trips me out is when atheist would scoff at the notion of worshipping a God have no problems saluting the flag. Which os essentially doing the exact same thing.

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mrveggieman187 6 Apr 9
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I attend no events anymore where the anthem is played. If I did, I would probably stand.

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No. I don't feel pride for my place of birth. I feel pride for things that people do. I might feel pride for my country if it were to treat all people with respect and equality. We were founded as a racist country and remain so today. We have never treated women with the respect and rights that should be a birthright. When this country stops judging people by their sexual orientation. Get all of that done and l will stand.

Agreed. I'm not a fan of nationalism or patriotism. My "loyalty" is to humans, and the Earth.

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Respect. Everything starts with Respect.

Respect is earned. When my country earns my respect l will stand. It has along way to go.

@Sticks48 we both know there is no country without skelletons in its closet. Sometimes I "grant respect" not on the earned but on what it represent. I still Honour "the Office of the President of United States" but not the actual occupant. I talk about the many wrongs of this country of mine, you can see my posts... but an anthem, any anthem of a nation is the pure endeavour of what nation should be. But if is earned respect what you are looking for... How You are going to consider is enough Retribution for the Slaves and the Natives in which this country was built on? See? You Can Not Undo The Damage Done. As a human, any human... you can protest and I salute for it. You got my respect.

@GipsyOfNewSpain None of the things l mentioned have been fixed. We have had over 200 years to fix this stuff and we haven't. I don't respect offices or uniforms, l respect living beings period.

@Sticks48 True Nothing has been Fixed.

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The more I know about this issue the more I detest it. The flag, national anthem and pledge worship is nothing else but shallow patriotism and I want nothing to do with any of them. My late partner quit subbing for our local school because a new, Christian, principal tried to push this off on to the students. It is unconstitutional and even the Supreme Court has said no can be forced to stand or offer any abayance to this hypocrisy. To me the road to respect leads to tyranny!

Brilliantly said! I agree wholeheartedly.

@stinkeye_a I learned so much from an immigrant. Her country was basically destroyed because of shallow patriotism so she saw what religion and false idealism can do to a country. Our country is supposed to be based on individual freedom not obedience especially obedience to symbolism.

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This poll does not include my answer… I make that determination based on the event. I see no need to protest before my children’s school performances but I won’t stand up at a sporting event until conditions improve and my sense of pride is restored.

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Oh its not the same by any means. The flag represents something tangible. And yes, I stand as every citizen should. Now, since you have made that comparison, then in general terms for everyone, you don't like religion/God the you have the choice to quit and move on to something else. By the same token, you don't like the flag or country then go somewhere else.You know how the saying goes... You can move, you are not a tree. Last counterargument, I am not telling you what to do, just thinking out loud triggered by your question.

Really, is that the choice? You presume a lot. Obviously, you were well trained.

Not sure what that means but, I guess I was.

@Stacey48.... Yeah you're right, I was a bit off the mark.....Still I don't think the flag is the government....... Anyway, how do you propose to make changes? How does disrespecting the flag helps our case?

Why should I have to go any where? I was born, raised here and am a taxpayer. I have every right to voice my opinions as you do.

@mrveggieman187 you're correct, you don't have to (obviously), you have the right to voice your opinion as I do, like you very well said. I think this thread got off track and your initial comment is that you find pointless to salute our flag. We are going to have to agree to disagree. I will stand and salute the flag and you will do as you see fit. Should we leave it at that?

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I do, and I don't care if someone else chooses not to. If we can't express what we believe then there is no point in standing.

I stand because it is what I believe, if someone were to force another to stand then I would sit since such a flag didnt deserve anyone standing for her.

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I stand. But I wouldn't insist that anybody else do it. If I found a reason not to appreciate my nation, I wouldn't. S'been a while since I attended something that has opening cerimonies so the point is moot for now.

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Nationalism and theism are two sides of the same coin. Both are tribalism and us vs them mentality. IMHO

Too many of us wrap ourselves in the comfortable position. It is easier to be coerced than to rebel.

^^This!! My "loyalty" is to all sentient beings and the Earth; I won't have anyone tell me what to do with my loyalty. Nationalism and patriotism are short-sighted at best, dangerous at worst.

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I stand but don't say anything-like at a football game.

Same here and sometimes I just go to the restroom to avoid any of it.

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I feel the same way . Feeling proud to be randomly born on this bit of dirt or proud for what others have done In history makes no sense to me

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