And ultimately, losers. I’m so ashamed of how we must be viewed by advanced nations, if deservedly so.. A nation, often calling itself “#1” ..with freaks like that ..right up to ‘the top’

Hope you haven’t been affected by the fires!

A temporary alliance at best

That's what reasoning is all about. Sometimes the enemy of your enemy is your friend, and sometimes they aren't. The aphorism is less about teaching a deep truth than it is about jarring your sensibilities to open you up the possibility of an unlikely ally. How about, there are exceptions to every rule?

You don't need them. Trump is as good as gone.

Yes.

Learn from their ass kicking ads though.

Dems will probably win in Nov. Then spend the next 4 years CROWING about it Then back to screwing everything up again and working hard/ overtime to convince Americans that is NOT about Church & State, but really about someone's panties in high school 40 years ago.

I’d felt the same in the early months… Didn’t trust them, at all. Listened to one of their founders on a podcast, and became convinced - he'd had enough! Likely near my age, with his timeline and life experiences, the difference between us was, I got out - as he went on to make hundreds of thousands putting in place the array of Republicans having led to ‘this one.’

I suspect, if/ when trump gets crushed - and the R’s lose the Senate, his kind will attempt to pick up the pieces of that broken party. Doubt I’ll help, but for now, appreciate their having found a semblance of honesty..

@twill After the majority wins in November - they’ll instantly be attacked by the Industrial Wealth that’s screwed us for the last decade ..or four.. Left with a federal deficit having grown by 60% under their watch - Democrats will instantly be demanded they reduce it.

Let’s see … the R’s ran up the debt again, tanked the economy again, the only thing missing is a new war.. But he’ll have several months to remedy that. The nation shot itself in the head with trump, it will take many years to recover. Do you plan to help?

@Varn I dunno. I gave all with Obama....Health Insurance costs went through the roof (being healthy is baaaad). OSHA bullshit cost me $1000's.
Pretty much fuck them....if not for Trump & the EV's I'd prolly be voting red

Or paying your tithing and other monetarily offerings - probably not like Trump, but including Trump as a "believer" increases their power and access to government.

This tells us nothing about you other than pointing out the fact that you hide behind Christianity.
Is a real Christian liberal?
Is a real Christian conservative?
Is a real Christian gay or straight?
The answers vary depending on the Christian.
In short Christianity means nothing unless closely associated with a culture, and in the US that culture is based on the Confederacy.
That makes your position inexcusable.

@Willow_Wisp I'm saying it's not about me. It's about getting zealot CHRISTians away from the Golden Calf of Moses to the words and deeds of Jesus. I'm saying that, if we can do that, it should eventually lead them to a more liberal view of life. Therefore, I promote a strategy of appealing to them on their ground. That's not Confederacy thinking. The Confederacy used religion to keep the slaves controlled and that needed a strict form of it. That, I would argue, created a misplaced focus on the Jewish God of Leviticus and away from the prophet Jesus. The message of Jesus is the one a CHRISTian should be paying attention to.

If that piece doesn't ‘reach them,’ what will? How buried are they in Hypocrisy, and how low would we have to go?

I’ve no desire to reach them, or come within ten feet of them to be honest. What I want are others to see them for what they are, the bane of our nation.

@Varn If we don't reach them they will grow, just as they did under Pope John Paul I (creating this Catholic resurgence), but Jesus is only a small stretch from Taoism. I can personally remain true to my conscious while appealing to theirs.