A few weeks back I posted on the topic of suicide, and it had a lot of responses. Since then I've seen a few more pop up on that same topic, and I'm sure a few posted before my post and all of them got a tremendous response. Suicide seems to be a hot topic, and a disturbing number of people here seem strangely carefree with ending their lives. This ambivalence towards life has me concerned.
I work in the healthcare field and I sometimes see patients with terminal illnesses suffer with relentless pain, I would want the option of euthanasia if I was ever in that position, but I've been fortunate enough so far to have not have any life experiences to cause me to attempt or consider suicide.
Quite straightforward - why would anyone want to extend their life once they have had enough? I think anyone over the age of 75 should be able to end their own life in a painless and dignified way with medical assistance with no argument. For people younger than that, if they have a terminal disease or a life-limiting condition, I think they should have the option, too. Other people who want to end their lives should have to talk to someone about it first, to see if their lives could be improved in some way to enable them to go on longer, but if not, then why shouldn't they end their lives, too?
I don’t see the need for all the hoop-jumping and nonsense.
If it’s truly your right, then it’s your right.
Have a coffee, take a smoke, kill yourself.
It’s your life.
Your decision.
@WileEQuixote It would be nice if it were that simple. Those of us who want to end their own lives and are thinking clearly want to do it in as painless and dignified way as we can, and causing as little upset to other people as possible. It is always going to be painful for your family, even if you have discussed it beforehand, but there is no reason why I should cause shock and unhappiness to others as would happen if I jump off a tall building or throw myself under a train. To buy lethal drugs is difficult. This is why we want to make it legal and have assistance from doctors.
Suicide ought to be a right, it's your life--literally the only thing that is truly yours.
End it, keep it, do whatever you want with it.
There is nothing "disturbing" about it unless you're Old School and can't get away from the various religious taboos forbdding it (some edicts from the Catholic church were enacted simply to stop martyrs from killing themselves as a shortcut to Heaven--the Church feared it would lose all its followers).
I can see that the topic may make you uncomfortable, but there is nothing disturbing about it, merely stigma and your own bias.
I didn't think carefree was applicable to the replies at all. I've been a nurse for a long time. I've seen families force 90 year old loved ones into dialysis while they were in constant excruciating pain from incurable cancer, and weren't even in control of their bowels anymore. If my death is impending I sure don't want my family remembering my last days as I was angry, out of my head, in constant agony, laying in my own excrement, begging for death because "it's part of god's plan".
Now obviously that's different from a teenager shooting himself because his girlfriend broke up with him. If you are a mature adult and you can't even be trusted to make your own end of life decisions then what freedom do you really have?
I just got my Medical Cannabis Card yesterday-2 weeks till my consultation. As a 5 year cancer survivor have had pain issues. If the pain couldn't be controlled with weed and hemp products I would consider suicide, however it is managable right now and I am able to return to a normal life.
Dying in pain with no hope would cause me to end it. Otherwise I want to experience as much of my life as I can.
Dropping religion made life seem more wondrous for me. The random chance involved for the universe to form, the solar system and earth to come about, for life to begin, evolve and for me to be here is so much more fantastic than any creation myth.
Having attempted suicide when I was young (very stupid move for stupid reasons), and having considered it seriously several years ago, I don't feel I have the right to judge anyone. And while I hope I won't get to that point again, I obviously can't say for certain. My kids are what kept me from going through with it a few years ago. I didn't want to hurt them.
Why should that have you concerned? Contrary to your staement, I do not find life to be a painful, unpleasant experience.. I enjoy many things about my life and always have. But, if I reach the stage in which I am a burden on others and.or in constant pain, I WILL choose to end my life. That is my choice, and none of your concern. It would be senseless to hang onto life when in agony, and selfish to hang onto life while costing others eotionally and financially.
I have no fear of death. I fear end of life living. When it comes time I will thank everybody and take care of it. No big deal. I do want to make sure my wife is not left alone in the end. I will wait for her or go with her. Who wants to just lay there looking at the walls while someone is changing your diaper and spoon feeding you. Yuck. I did what did in life to survive till the end. It's not a big deal..
Personally, I think the believer in general views this existence as torture, not the non-believer, unless of course their existence IS torturous. In one form or another, each of the major Western Religions focus the practitioner's attention in the afterlife, and minimize the earthly experience with subordination to theological authority, all while condemning the suicide act itself.
The State needs labor. The Church trains you to view labor as the only purpose in life, and suffering as the only reward. Anything that lessens or takes away from that is deemed a sin. It has been that way since the first of us crawled from the Anatolians and some of us figured out if you “paid” other people to dig holes or have sex your existence becomes very easy.
I really wish more people understood this, but usually they only get it after they've shattered themselves slaving away, are now "useless" in the eyes of the State, and, absent a healthy external structure that rewards a stable, healthy worldview, end the only existence they've ever had in sorrow and misery, wandering into a pretty building once a week to have all this dysfunctionality reinforced by listening to the descendant that lied to our ancestors feeding them the same line of crap. Where they’re told that suffering is somehow noble, and to want to advance one’s passing condemns you to eternal torment. Suffer here, suffer there, but if you’re here you can still support the con. Just as long as you’re suffering the Church and the State really doesn’t give a shit. You’re easier to control this way, and if you’re not killing yourselves willy-nilly you don’t throw off their forecasting and planning, lol.
Non-believers, absent this external authoritative control are more inclined to wring everything they can out of this existence, because they know this is all they get. Unfortunately, they are still subjugated by religious thought due to the codification of beliefs through secular law. If there was a Hell, we’d be damned if we do, damned if we don’t. But there isn’t a Hell, so people suffer needlessly.
As far as myself, I've been in real bad shape before. Even then, I fought to stay here, quite literally at times. I can't say I'd would or wouldn't choose euthanasia, as I've never been THAT bad. I've known people who have been. Euthanasia must be a legal option in our society, if and only if the decision is made in sound mind, like a DNR.
People who are rabidly against this are, once again, either too afraid to give up their Bronze Age scribbles or so woefully deluded and self-centered from a lifetime of unhealthy habits, mores, customs and beliefs they’re willing to impose that crap on others, and nothing will change how they feel until they themselves face death down. Of course then they're the whinest people you'd ever meet. Because they’re hypocrites. But we already knew that, huh?
My mother died of "bird facier's disese". She had pet canaries, which in the end killed her. Beasically it is an allergy to bird dander. It gets in teh lungs and causes irritation and scar tissue in the lungs air sacks and it gets hrder and harder to breath, kind of like asbestosis. So, my mohter over a period of almost 20 years slowly suffocated to death as her conditioned got worse and worse. That is a terrible way to die. Susectibility is genetically oriented, and if I ever got it I would nto wait until it killed me. Once the quality of life dropped to where I had nothign to look forward to, I'd end it.
I myself have had leukemia, which is painful. I endured that with no problems. That was actually much more endurable.
another great reason why humans shouldn't imprison birds (and other animals) for their own amusement....
@SkotlandSkye "Bird fancier's disease" is most commonly suffered by chicken or other poutltry farmers.
which only proves my point further that imprisoning innocent birds for exploitation by humans is a BAD thing.
I think its a very precious escape hatch that you don't need to be afraid of. Suicide is really hard. Like. So hard. I tried a few times but I'm really bad at dying. Now I have a daughter and would NEVER. But when I was undiagnosed and sick I saw it as a solice and I needed that.
In theory I could have chosen what's behind door #3 (although I don't agree it's further along some continuum towards considering suicide now). But in practice I doubt I'd give rational suicide any serious consideration unless I had zero quality of life and minimal hope of improvement. "Things getting too hard" tends to come and go, pain and suffering, not so much ...
I love life too much, even with it's difficulties. Only if I was in endless pain or unable to care for myself would it even be a consideration.
Me too. I'm in full agreement with you. I've suffered on rare occasions a stent of depression where the thought creeped into my mind, but not in a serious way. I might have thought what if.... But I never thought I might do this.
I have survived so much pain and misfortune already, it only made me stronger.
A very christian concept.
@GoldenDoll Interesting comment.
I think it is alot more complicated then the answers given.
Suicide is complex situation. Because no one just split second decides to kill themselves. Its something that is thought about and internally debated for days weeks months and years. It's never a rash split minute decision like people would like to think it is.
There needs to be better understanding of mental health issues and what people actually need for help.
You don't need to be concerned. It's none of your business. We don't need people telling us how to live.
Suicide is very cowardly- especially when it comes to thinking about the person's friends and family. Now if someone is all alone and has no that cares about them, that could be different.
If I'm in constant incurable pain, it's not up to you to call me a coward.
See this answer is part of the problem! Your the type of person that thinks this is about you. And its not! Plain and simple. People who commit suicide are never truly silent. They are silenced by the family and friends saying buck up. Cheer up. Oh your being dramatic. Ypur the type of person that doesn't listen when they are asking for help.
Your the type that shows up crying amd angry at the funeral. Going why they didn't say something. And its about your feelings and how selfish they are.
Its complete ignorance for the way mental health issues work and how to help.
@GoldenDoll your not a coward. Your living your truth. And no one has the right to say shit about how you live it.
@Desertkatt You have completely missed the point of my comment. It's not at all about mental health problems .OK, I'll make it easier for you. "If A PERSON is in constant pain, it's not up to you to call THEM a coward". Pain is not only mental! I'll look forward to your answer to that. If my mother has no hope of a cure and is in excruciating pain and wants to die, I'm not going to stop her; in fact I'd willingly help her. I'm not any of the things you think I am - but then how could you possible know. An apology is probably in order. But you're (correct spelling) obviously wrapped up in some mental confusion of your own, so I don't expect it.
@GoldenDoll I apologize I didn't think enough before posting. I didn't mean to say that anyone who commits suicide is a coward. It can definitely be a cowardly act depending on the reasoning. I would definitely agree that someone who is in excruciating pain with no end in sight should be able to make the choice to end their own life with dignity.
@Trahcoffee I appreciate that but the real apology I need is from Desertkatt. As I thought, not forthcoming.
Oh, hell no. Life can be what you make it.