The thing that I find so interesting is that even though there is no historical proof of this Jesus entity, the propaganda machine has been working so long and so hard that even logical people find themselves questioning the obvious fact that there is no proof. They want to hedge their bets, keep an open mind, etc. etc.
The only proof of Jesus is the Bible and that amounts to the same thing as the only proof of the Cat in the Hat being the Dr. Suess books.

Not a better way of covered up.... Right? Just saying!

There is so much controversy, because the meme is trying to survive, even here, and it has done so for so long because it is good at it.

Debating if this person does exist, no pun intended, there is nothing anywhere written in stone, that he is a real human. Everything mentioned is just a theory. If jeebus is not mentioned throughout Greek and Roman history, it is very possible, this got invented but why and by whom and for what purpose.

Anyone know about illogical atheist Richard Dawkin's mind virus organism? I find it is the best understanding of the biological nature of Jesus character as the biblical test purports Jesus character to be a mind virus organism that evolved into a person.

A meme (/miːm/ MEEM)[1][2][3] is an idea, behavior, or style that spreads by means of imitation from person to person within a culture and often carries symbolic meaning representing a particular phenomenon or theme.[4] A meme acts as a unit for carrying cultural ideas, symbols, or practices, that can be transmitted from one mind to another through writing, speech, gestures, rituals, or other imitable phenomena with a mimicked theme. Supporters of the concept regard memes as cultural analogues to genes in that they self-replicate, mutate, and respond to selective pressures.[5]

The word meme itself is a neologism coined by Richard Dawkins, originating from his 1976 book The Selfish Gene.[12] Dawkins's own position is somewhat ambiguous. He welcomed N. K. Humphrey's suggestion that "memes should be considered as living structures, not just metaphorically"[12] and proposed to regard memes as "physically residing in the brain."[13] Although Dawkins said his original intentions had been simpler, he approved Humphrey's opinion and he endorsed Susan Blackmore's 1999 project to give a scientific theory of memes, complete with predictions and empirical support.[14]

consider a mind meme that transmits thru many generations of people as i ows and develops as the old testiment people of Israel pass on their cultural meme.
John 1:1 in the beginning was the logos, the logos was with God and was God. John 1:14 …the logos become flesh (a person).
John 3:6 …that which is born of Pnuema…
Pnuema of greek corresponds for the meaning related to ruach: force like breath. The power of words spoken.
Matthew 5:17 "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
For just one example of scholar comparing old to new testiment : Paul Humber author of: 400 Prophecies, Appearances or Foreshadowings of Christ in the Tanakh (Old Testament). This shows us the purported life of Jesus in new testament was a repeat of old testiment”meme", or logos(thought, word, speech). One view could say, the life of Jesus was preprogrammed by old testiment. D.N.A. is the preprogrammed genetic code that makes up our physical bodies. Not to say our entire lives are preprogrammed by genetic code, but to compare the life of Jesus a “cognition entity", preprogrammed to fulfill laws and prophets as the words, logos and meme are the programming cognition entity “D.N.A.”.

1 Corinthians 2:16 …But we have the mind of Christ.
Only giving brief overview, we see objectively what they originally meant and and what the new testiment gives eye witness statements for. Now with scientific understanding about cognition and Illogical atheist Richard Dawkins articulation of a mind cognition organism for understanding the natural means of the bringing about of the Egyptian, Jesus style God, into the nation of Israel about 2000 years ago. Isaiah 19:25 ... the LORD of hosts has blessed, saying, “Blessed be Egypt my people, and Assyria the work of my hands, and Israel my inheritance.”

As biblical text gives credit, not plagerzing, that the mind virus come along with Israel as they were purported to of fled Egypt.

Mind virus mutation or a form of mind virus organism offspring, it can still be seen today in the Masonic lodge secret religion racist devil worship government.

The uneducated with no interest in mystical traditions and the esoteric may regard Ancient Egypt as little more than a place of pagan worship, strange hieroglyphics, and monuments erected by thousands of Hebrew slaves. But those more learned, especially those having undertaken the initiative rituals of Freemasonry, will see a link between the Egyptian metaphysical tradition and modern mystery schools, of which Freemasonry is one.
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Ya just gotta have faith, apparently

True. The first references to Jesus occur well after his supposed life (odd - you'd have thought that a chap walking on water would attract SOME comment) and are then only references to what other people say - hearsay.

Actual evidence of Jesus's existence is astonishingly absent for a miracle performing man, who lived in a society known for keeping records.

Aristotle does lend a nuanced historicity to the meme, the myth, and to agnosticism in general.

As I read history, I understand that Jesus wasn't really invented until the 4th century AD.

Curious quote from Bart Ehrman to make, since he remains a committed historicist in Christology, namely that there was a historical Jesus, though not the supernatural Jesus Christians believe in. His rejection of mythicist historians -- those who claim the burden of proof for a historical Jesus has not been meet -- is such that he refuses to debate many of them. Of course he is right in this quote, but it is also arguable that the whole jesus story is a myth too, though he wouldn't agree.

A lot of Christians cite the historian Josephus as "proof" that he existed. The problem with that is that the writings that they cite have proven to be fake.

ill take it back even further

why wouldnt anybody question all of the claims from a book, especially after people learned how to write in books?

nobody needs to find their answer from another persons perspective

great claims require great evidence

the story of the messiah has been regurgitated for millenia before the bible

Might sound surprising, but facts are not always a great way to get to truth.
And things don’t necessarily have to “exist” to be real enough, either

The Roman occupiers of that entire region were meticulous record keepers.
If there had been anyone named Jesus of Nazareth, Bethlehem, or any of the other towns and settlements in the region, who were to have caused the Romans that much trouble, there would have been a mention of it somewhere.
There isn't.

Yup no one

Most believers answer to this is that he was not important enough to merit mention.
BUT if that is the case why are their multiple citations for John the Baptist, Simon Magus, Jesus Barabbas, the four Herod brothers, even a wandering nut job known as Saul of Tarsus, but none of them in reference to being associated with a Jesus of Nazareth.
It is almost as if someone made up a story and fitted it around real people to make it more believable.

Apart from math, not even science has "proof" for ANYTHING. There is always doubt/error-bars/new-info (science can disprove some things).

I'm skeptical of this 'meme' . . .
a) the 'pic' shows a statue of (I think) an 'ancient' -- greek/roman of BCE, while 'Jesus' is of CE
b) have you read (I have) Ehrmans' book ?

[en.wikipedia.org]

From what I understand about that. In time you are correct but not having solid evidence I cannot say but I'm going to go with if anything it was a collection of stories about multiple men.