On 22/11 shall we also remember Dorothy Kilgallen?
The article doesn't go into these details, but on the day she died she had returned from a trip, told a number of people she was writing a piece that would be explosive about JFK 22/11/63, went on her tv program, was sharp as a pin, left, was seen being approached by two men, and then went home and 'committed suicide', being found in a bed she never slept in. The scene was so staged it was a joke. All her research disappeared too. Funny that.
Another CIA 60s crime? It's either suicide, like Jeffrey Epstein, or overdose, like Dorothy or Marilyn. They're not very imaginative, but at least they got away with it for a while back in the 60s. These days not so much, as Jeffrey's story showed. That story didn't last a day's news cycle.
Remembering Dorothy Kilgallen. They took her life and ruined her reputation, but history has caught up, as history does, eventually.
Dorothy Kilgallen did not kill herself so much as drink and drug herself to death, and it was never claimed she committed suicide. Her death was determined to have been caused by a combination of alcohol and barbiturates. Regarding whether it was a suicide or accidental death, New York City medical examiner James Luke's report stated, “acute ethanol and barbiturate intoxication, circumstances undetermined”.
Her supposed "bombshell" private interview with Jack Ruby was a brief conversation during a recess at Ruby's trial, in full view of dozens of people. She had also already leaked Ruby's testimony to the Warren Commission well before her death, and, quoting Newsweek,
It was just another in a long series of leaks. Although the commission has tried to maintain a screen of secrecy, it has been as effective as a sieve. While the leakage has been kept to a minimum in Washington, newsmen in Dallas and other cities have easily breached commission security. Not only have some of the 543 witnesses and their attorneys been "cooperative," but the commission, as a matter of legal etiquette, has provided them with verbatim transcripts of their testimony. In such an atmosphere, it is surprising that the Ruby testimony wasn't published in full before now.
Certainly, the 102-page document, at least the Kilgallen version, contained a great many fascinating insights into Ruby's deteriorating state of mind, his attorneys' inability to restrain their erratic client, and Chief Justice Warren's infinite and understanding patience.
"They" ruined her reputation? If by that you mean a bunch of conspiracy theorists who let her death overshadow the rest of her life, then yes, "they" did. But she's hardly the only victim.
As to Ruby himself, he personally stated that he was in the neighborhood that morning because dancer Karen Carlin had made a plea for him to wire her some rent money; the Western Union was near the jail. He was attracted to the bustle at the jail when he finished his business there. Had he not initially made an illegal turn to get a parking space, he would have missed the 30-second window when Oswald was being escorted for transfer. And Oswald himself must have conspired in his own death, if there were such a conspiracy, because he would have been gone already had he not requested they turn back to get his sweater. There was no way to foresee or plan any of these events, just as Oswald got a job at the Book Depository weeks before Kennedy's visit to Dallas and his motorcade route were even decided. He was not put in place to be the assassin: he chose to shoot Kennedy once he realized he had the opportunity.
Both Oswald and Ruby were little men who wanted to be something bigger. That's all.
A mob-connected nightclub owner, Ruby, assassinating the assassin, was always fishy.
Ruby said he had been distraught over Kennedy's death and that his motive for killing Oswald was "saving Mrs. Kennedy the discomfiture of coming back to trial".
G. Robert Blakey, chief counsel for the House Select Committee on Assassinations from 1977 to 1979, said: "The most plausible explanation for the murder of Oswald by Jack Ruby was that Ruby had stalked him on behalf of organized crime, trying to reach him on at least three occasions in the forty-eight hours before he silenced him forever."
Ruby repeatedly asked to speak to the members of the Warren Commission. Ruby asked Warren several times to take him to Washington D.C., saying "my life is in danger here" and that he wanted an opportunity to make additional statements. He added: "I want to tell the truth, and I can't tell it here."
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If he were going to do a hit for the mob, presumably he'd be prepared to get caught, go to jail, and keep his mouth shut (which he did - until the mis-trial, at least). If he were doing it out of personal distress (for the First Lady), presumably he'd not be so inclined to get caught. He shot Oswald in a police station basement!
We may never know the truth. Meanwhile, the stories still sell.
Recommending a book: FAMILY SECRETS by Russ Baker. Bloomsbury Press
Probably not. Conspiracy theories are for assholes. The guy at HowThingsWork is a prime example.
@David1955 OR we can opt not to do your work for you, and insist you post a link to a better source.
Actually, the problem isn't that the article short or poorly sourced. it doesn't matter. since the fundamental assertion this and any article makes is dipshittery even Glenn Beck would stay away from. Other articles
How Stuff Works is a bullshit conduit. Anybody who considers it a reliable source of information is simply standing in front of the pipe with their mouth open.
I hope that it's tasty, for your sake.
"Level 3 guy..."
Wow. However will I recover? <sniff, heart-rending sob>.
Anybody who thinks that passes as an insult is stupid enough to believe this pig vomit.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Claims made without evidence can be dismissed without consideration.
It doesn't matter that the article is short and not comprehensive, when the article itself doesn't support its assertions. It doesn't matter when it came out.
What matters is that How Things Work isn't a reliable source for anything.
It is not my job to explore further. I'm not the one making the claim. You are, by posting the article. The evidentiary burden is on you because you are the one making the claim. It is YOUR job to support your assertion.
The article is bullshit from a bullshit source. Any article covering the same ground, unless it can support its claims with evidence, is bullshit.
You're an Atheist. We believe in reason and evidence-based claims. All you're doing is sending a signal that we're just as dumb as everyone else.
@Toonman I wasn't agreeing with the OP, I was mocking his attempt to denigrate you based on how many points you have on the website
I agree with everything you just wrote. Occam's Razor should tell us that, with the lack of any solid evidence to the contrary, there was not a conspiracy involving at least dozens if not hundreds of participants, none of whom have come forward in almost 60 years (and those who claim to confess can't show evidence of their own to prove their assertions).
The absence of evidence is not an indication of what a good conspiracy it as, it's an indication that there was no conspiracy.
Maybe some of those answers are in the files that are still hidden after the last administration chose to keep them sealed. Must be some pretty interesting stuff, and only a few people know what's in them. A secret only known to a few powerful people can be a dangerous thing.
Dorothy's big mistake was in telling people what she was going to do and her JFK info was going to center on Carlos Marcello, New Orleans, Oswald, and Ruby. Pills and alcohol do not mix and she may have taken some. People did that a lot back then. That does not explain her missing files and notes and other things that do not match up when you look at her death.
Wasn't Dorothy Kilgallen a panelist on "What's My Line"?
And was a investigative journalist
No. She probably died of an accidental overdose of alcohol and barbiturates. If anybody offed her it was the mob. She wrote some secret stuff about the mafia and how Frank Sinatra was associated with the Genovese family. I still think not.
@David1955 Mobsters back in the day sanctioned killings of LCN members in particularly brutal manners. Clipping civilians called for creative methods. I think Dorothy Kilgallen was drunk and took an accidental overdose. The CIA thing just doesn't seem plausible. She didn't l pose that much of a threat.
I also suspect Jim Morrison was murdered.
Morrison got fat and alcoholic. Most likely died in the bath of heart problems on Friday night when his "wife" left him there and returned Sunday to find him there. Two baths in one weekend, in France, I think not.
@David1955 Admiral Daddy was a total ass.
I can't imagine why anyone is surprised at The unexplained death of a habitual drug user.
@Lorajay While drug users do die occasionally, nearly all of them prevent that from happening as a matter of experience and expertise. Far more often, death is due to some change, such as a change in the source of heroin which has a higher concentration. That is, again, unlikely for those with experience and the understanding of such hazards. Thus, those who have attained political or social notoriety may well be suspected of being the victim of foul play at the hands of those who strongly object to their views. Similarly, drug users recite the experience wherein police delay calling EMT's in order to assist their demise, which is depraved indifference in any other context. George Floyd and others, for example.
Irony ?