The thing that gets me is, those defending the examples above usually claim to be liberal, but how on Earth is such an approach to the matter genuinely liberal?? The real liberals respect individual rights for all, and when men who are pretending to be women can and have violently assaulted women, there's nothing actually liberal about such. The following is from a known leftwing organization, but they are right on that though-
[womensliberationfront.org]

This binary Trans gender crap is something I think I may never truly understand.

Most of these feminists are liberals so do not expect logical thinking that is circumvented by their knee jerk liberal mentality. In general even with hormone therapy etc these genetically advantaged individuals still have a physical advantage over their female counterparts. This issue is not about an individual that was born this way and deserves to be treated fairly and did not choose their desired gender orientation that I totally agree with ,but about the absurdity of permitting physically superior individuals that are not genetically females compete with females .

This may not be the most popular opinion, but hear me out as it seems most logical:
EITHER
For a given sport there is no genetic advantage one sex has over the other and ALL people should be playing in the same league/games/etc. and the best athletes get the positions
OR
For a given sport, one sex does have a genetic advantage such that the sport does need separate leagues for the sexes, and thus, it follows logically, that one should not be allowed to break that division.

THIS IS ALL IGNORING THE FACT THAT WE SHOULDN'T REALLY BE CONCERNING OURSELVES WITH SPORTS AT ALL GIVEN THE TIMELINE FOR OUR COLLISION COURSE WITH THE APOCALYPSE.

I sympathize with the suffering of Transes and should Not be subject to discrimination, harassment, or other mean or inequitable treatment because of their gender expression or dysphoric condition.
But The Fact is Sports competitions are seperated by Sex, NOT by Gender, with regard to male-female natural physiological differences.
In the Sports arena, we talk about a Professional scope, where activist spends time, money, and all the effort to compete in a Fair situation.
The important point is We can change our Gender/Secondary sex characteristics (surgery and exogenous hormone therapy), but every cell in the body still remains Sexed.
Transwomen are transwomen, Not Women. the social effort to ameliorate the suffering of trans people should not come at the expense of female people.
Labels/Titles like "Woman of the year" is to inspire others and respect/appreciation efforts, then Why we can't have "Trans Woman/man of the year" ?

BUT the Important Question is :
Why we can't accept and respect them as who they are, Due to we can't deny biological facts and obvious differences?!
Why can't we expand our social perspective and definitions, positions, rules,... all for them ( it's their absolute right ) ?! when we recognized Trans-x as New Gender, why still we insist to fit them in old rules/boxes ?!
After All, Don't Forget SEX is totally Different Matter than Gender, pls don't Mix all together, which makes so many misunderstandings.
I have to mention again: I am Not transphobic, I do not fear, dislike, or hate transgenders. and I know they have rights as humans like everyone else. like every living being. I just think we have to face it logically, not emotionally

What is exactly the problem ?
That are different than the “ norm “, or that they have the desire to claim life as they feel it?
Do u think these folks just woke up one day and decided to claim different gender just for shit and giggles ? Do u think is easy for them to admit to parents , friends , teachers , neighbors , relatives that it’s not what it looks and they won’t to be as close as possible to how it feels ?
What would u do if u had a son in this position ?
Would u tell your son to hide it , that he is confused , that this will pass , and that “ it is what it is “, don’t try to change it ?
Would u tell your son that he needs to wait until they have some type of sports for other leprants like him ( apparently ), and he should not compete w normal “ people ?
I value sports very little in general , so I don’t give a big shit about , but I understand that most highschool kids I ve met ( coaching basketbal at recreational level for years ), they don’t give a flying fuck about their competitors anatomy .
Kids are more inclusive and nicer than assholes adults , and I find this comforting at least

The 7th great short skinny girl who can dribble but not pass , do u think she plays sports bcz she is hoping for a scholarship ??? . Do u think today , the goal involving kids in sports is fame or money or degrees ? I laugh at these parents . And their kids laugh at them too . The goal is to keep kids away from drugs . Away from watching a device all night long . Away from suicide and depression . That’s that .
Have u seen a 6.2 , 180 lbs white girl playing highschool basketball ? I have . She has two left legs and I rather watch grass growing than her running . She could had be a man all day long .
Size does not intimidate my other players . My 5.5 girl scored the most a month ago , and she couldn’t care less how big or how tall anyone else is . Or if there is a dick in the shorts , so to understand I guess .
Does it matter to u if a writer , a politician , an actor , a scientist , a doctor is a trans ? Y ? R u going to sleep w them ? What do u care for ?
Do u think people in professions walking around all day thinking w their genitals ?
Are they taking something away from u or your kids or your rights ? Is your paycheck any shorter bcz Bob is doing hormonal therapy ?
I don’t get it man , I really don’t .

It's a man's world

And i have no problem with people living their lives as they see fit....you?