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Ever notice how Christians are always crying persecution, but are the main ones damning people to Hell that don’t follow their idiotic religion?

Most atheist and agnostics can really care less what they believe in. We just, for the most part, don’t want them trying to force their beliefs down our throats and have the Ten Commandments hung up in the court houses and the constant threats to non-believers or anybody that don’t share their faith. They get their feelings hurt and cry persecution when people question and try to be reasonable and point out illogical things. Tell me I’m not the only one who feel like this.

EmeraldJewel 7 May 23
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They are also trying to rewrite our national history with claims we were established as a Christian nation and trying to rewrite our laws and impose their religious beliefs on the rest of us as a result. Look at the fact that political candidates must claim Christian lifestyles in order to get elected, never mine they tend to be crooks.

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@twill Wow, whack a mole? that is scary but I guess I should not be surprised. They may actually get their way and have those signs with God We trust posted on the schools walls even though it goes against the constitution. I can't wait for the day when we non believers are strong enough in numbers to counter such nonsense.

If you look at our history, we were indeed founded by "christians" mostly Protestants running away from the Church of England. The early writings (Constitution, Bill Of Rights and Declaration Of Independence) all have God backing them up. Every where in government there is reference to God as why we enter into wars and do most anything we do as a country.. Sucks, but there it is...

@Lazarus Take another look at those that wrote our constitution. Most despised Christianity and concerns from non Christian ( i.e. Jews, Muslims, et.) at the time needed to be taken into account, (see Jefferson papers) and the section regarding the separation of church and state was indeed modeled aftr what Massachuestts had already put into place. Yes we had a dominate Christian populace but they were not the writers. They did not craft the documents on which our laws and governement were guided by.

@Lazarus Take another look at those that wrote our constitution. Most despised Christianity and concerns from non Christian ( i.e. Jews, Muslims, et.) at the time needed to be taken into account, (see Jefferson papers) and the section regarding the separation of church and state was indeed modeled aftr what Massachuestts had already put into place. Yes we had a dominate Christian populace but they were not the writers. They did not craft the documents on which our laws and governement were guided by.

@misstuffy good points! Thank you.

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Not all Christians are doing this. I have no love of Christianity, but to blanketly label all people in any group as doing one thing or another is a fallacy.

Not all Christians do, but technically those that don't are heretics and according to the bible should be killed.
In short most Christians don't practice Christianity

@LenHazell53 "Christian" means to be "Christlike," and very people are Christlike. Where do The Christian Scriptures say that people who disagree with Christianity should be put to death? There are several major sects of Christianity and hundreds of small ones: they interpret The Christian Scriptures in a manner that suits their wants. However, I have not seen a scripture from the CS that advocates killing others. If I am wrong, just state the verse.

@Gwendolyn2018
Deuteronomy 17:2
Deuteronomy 13:6-15
2 Chronicles 15:13
John 15:6
2 Kings 17:25
Psalm 78:21–22, 31
Exodus 22:20
Deuteronomy 13:7-12

There's a few to be going on with.
In addition there were these massacres of none christians justified by the above , in theological history: the crusades, the pogroms, the inquisitions, the witch hunts...

By the way Christian does not mean to be Christlike it means to follow an anointed one, in that khristos= the anointed, -ian the possessive suffix
Hence Christian = belonging to (as in devoted to) the anointed.
The anointed in this case presumed to be in most cases the mythical carpenter of Nazareth.

@Gwendolyn2018
You might also consider Matthew 10:34-37

34“Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.
35 For I have come to turn

“ ‘a man against his father,

a daughter against her mother,

a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law—

36a man’s enemies will be the members of his own household.’c

37“Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.

@LenHazell53 Those are The Hebrew Scriptures, not the Christian Scriptures. The Christian Scriptures begin with Matthew.

The verse from Matthew does not advocate killing heretics and the sword is symbolic.

And sorry, I did not make myself clear in my "definition": Christians, as followers of Christ, are to be like Christ; ergo, "Christlike." Christ dedicated himself to healing and to the poor; he advocated walking the extra mile and not to judge. Of course, Christ of the Christian Scriptures never existed, and people will make what they will of any book.

I agree. however. every "christian" I've met, and I known many. Sooner or later get into the "word of God and condemnation " bit. So, it would seem that stereotypes perpetuate themselves.

@Lazarus I have met many Christians, even here in the Bible Belt, who have never condemned me (or others) or tried to convert me. This is the issue with applying personal experience to prove a point or saying that stereotypes are accurate: someone else's experience can be diametrically opposes.

Maybe they don't condemn me because I have such a sparkling, witty, warm, magnetic personality, eh?

@Gwendolyn2018 Okay point taken. I grew up in a "Suthern" Baptist/Catholic home. I experience the hypocrisy of those religions at an early age. Do penance for any misdeed and be forgiven. Stray from "The Path" and be (severely) punished. I stood up from my beliefs and was ridiculed. Later in my adult life I had friends and associates who always , always got the "God/Faith" bit in conversation. When challenged, they ultimately fell back to just believe.. faith is all the proof you need. I guess faith isn't strong enough in me..

@Gwendolyn2018
"hose are The Hebrew Scriptures, not the Christian Scriptures. The Christian Scriptures begin with Matthew."

Matthew 5:18
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law,

Jesus disagrees with you all biblical scriptures are Christian scriptures

@LenHazell53 Did Jesus disagree or did the editors of TCS disagree?

@Gwendolyn2018 I don't know, but since I think it is all cobblers anyway, it is force of habit to argue the bible on the believers terms and with their own weapons.

@LenHazell53 To be able to argue effectively on either side, the arguers need to have a grasp on history and the evolution of both Judaism and Christianity. Jewish myth is a compilation of Sumerian/Babylonian/Egyptian myth; their book is interspersed with history that is colored by their biases and have some tales have turned into myth, i.e. the exodus apparently never happened, but some characters are shown to be real historical characters.

Christian myth is not only Jewish myth--hence, the myths of other cultures--but also Greek (which, in turn is based on the myths of earlier cultures). In comparing the myths, it is easy to see the archetypes.

I will not debate Christians on anything other that what can be proven. Most of them are ignorant of the history of their religion, which means that most debate is useless. Atheists should know their stuff before debating; if they don't, they only appear ignorant, or at least to people who have spent decades studying this "stuff."

@Gwendolyn2018 good example of this is my grandson who attends a Quaker school and he is a professed Atheist. He even was published in their Quaker Journal and one of his comments was that he follows the values but is not a part of any religion. They have no problem with this concept.

@AmelieMatisse And thank you for giving an example of the point I was making! My sister is a lifelong Southern Baptist, but she does not judge me nor try to convert me.

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Cognitive dissonance

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As I often say, fundamentalism isn't about being good, it's about being right.

Suggest that a fundamentalist is mistaken, and it's an existential threat.

Hence, they feel beset, besieged and persecuted merely by someone declining to agree with them. Much less actively disagreeing, or debunking.

It turns them all into persecution whores, in part because their holy book promises them persecution, so aside from being a threat, it is a validation.

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Yeah, I did notice that. No, you're not the only one who feels like that. Yes, this is duplicity, hypocrisy, and willful persecution of others with differing beliefs. I wish it wasn't so, I really do.

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It's actually much worse than you think (their hypocrisy). They whine persecution while making greater and greater inroads into the Federal government (thanks Trump!). They are directly attacking the wall of separation between State and church. It is truly terrifying, in my opinion. You definitely are not the only one who feels this way.

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Yeah, but for the average Christian, being denied the ability to proselytize IS (or amounts to) persecution. I don't remember the exact quote - I think Sam Harris said something along the lines of: when one believes - really, truly believes in a magical skydaddy - one cannot just walk idly by and not say something when one sees people commit a sin.

And it makes sense. It you had a cure for cancer, and you saw people with cancer around you, you'd want to shove that cure down their throats, too...

If you could reason with religious people, there would be no religious people 🙂

Spot on.

"If you could reason with religious people, there would be no religious people"

Stealing! ?

Feel free to steal it - if was originally said by one of the brightest minds of our generation: Dr. Gregory House

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Yet another example of their hypocrisy.

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No I think lots of us feel that way.

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Christians bore me. period.

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You are not. Go tell it n the mountain, over the hills, and everywhere. I do. Whenever someone brings up God, anywhere, I always reply that this Being doesn’t exist.

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Their hypocrisy knows no bounds!

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Typically hypocritical is what they are..i totally agree

Glad to know I’m not alone. Lately I’ve been hearing them left and right saying they are being persecuted.

@EmeraldJewel you have many people that feel the same as you do

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It is baffling how they imagine themselves persecuted when they are over 80% of the population in this country.
Are Baptists persecuting Methodists or something?

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#Christians NO, you're not the only one who feels like you do. Agree. They seem to espouse love and tolerance but are the first to criticize and condem anyone who dosen't buy there trip lock stock and cockroach. They are the epitome of double standards.

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I do not think Christianity is idiotic at all, but I do think there are too many Idiotic or Fake Christians.

Isao Level 2 May 23, 2018
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This has always confused me! But, they understand perfectly, how everyone not of their kind is doomed! Where is the love and compassion practiced by Jesus? I guess examples don’t count!

That whole give yourself to me and your soul will live forever, is so chessy!

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You are preaching the truth ?

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Same ol' song and dance.

godef Level 7 May 23, 2018
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Taking away their privileges feels like persecution to them.

Or infringement on THEIR right to call other people out, where they see THEIR God’s law not followed! Like, if there were a GOD...it would not need human help!

Wouldn't we just call that giving the rights back to those whose rights were being infringed upon?

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Persecution is the funniest prediction to me. Yeah, I made this up and people are challenging me on it, so hard to predict they will gig you for being gullible.

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I couldn't care less what others believe, think, or do. If someone chose to believe in Grog Almighty, I wouldn't say one word. To each their own.

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O no you are not the only one. The Christian Right if very aggressive in their pursuit of infecting our government with their version of Christianity and morality. There are still states where they will not allow you to run for office if you are an atheist. And you are right they are the first to cry “foul” if they are at the least presented with an alternative argument or challenged on their encroachment into our government. Just in my area of Arizona within a five mile radius there are at least 20 churches.

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I agree. Usually Christians are the one to be aware of their trying to lie or cheat you. I don't know how an intelligent person can believe the crap they believe.

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Unfortunately true

N7EIE Level 6 May 23, 2018
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