@dan325 sorry, Peter and Paul, well, this is what happened: you had to tell Peter 3 times, always 3 times with Peter, remember Jesus told Peter you will deny me 3 times Peter and I know it, and he did! some things in that Bible are true, there were historians there also, educated people, kinda like today, anyway, Paul was trying to beat him to Rome, cause Paul knew about Peter, so Paul got there, but was a certified very rich Roman Jewish Citizen!! many Jews were, all it take is money!! Herod ring a bell?

even the Romans felt sorry for anybody in his family! it is recorded they did!

Saul/Paul, his fellow Jews wrote about him, it is historical, they knew him, and they did not like him, do not have time, but you can find it, so.. do or I will try to remember to tell you later
so Peter comes, and Paul is in prison writing Romans, that chapter in the Bible, guess what?along came Peter!

so, now this was recorded by Josephus, just about 10,000 page book have it, read it, refer to it,

JOSEPHUS! just google it or go buy the book still in print for over 2000 years that's all folks!

so, Peter is allowed to watch his wife be crucified but he chose to do it upsidedown, cause Peter is Peter, and no one to tell Peter 3 times Peter, 3 times, but so he walks into the new Holy Roman Empire, aka Peter the Rock, so since no one told Peter 3 times not to do it, he did it, and that was how the Devil got in!!

Peter had to out do Jesus even on that cross thing!!! he did it!! see above!

Jesus told him, Paul chased him and Josephus was there, witness, and wrote all about it!

Paul was beheaded, not crucified he was a Roman Citizen!!!

now make the connection to: the Beatniks, Peter, Paul and Mary!!

cause you cannot make this merd up!! (merd is french for poop!)