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In the area I live IVF treatment has now been withdrawn:
[bbc.co.uk]
Having weighed up the whole picture I am inclined to agree that, in the present financial difficulties facing our NHS is a luxury we can't afford. There is also the issue of unrestrained population growth, as discussed by the charity Population Matters:
[populationmatters.org]
What are other peoples' thoughts on this most sensitive issue?

Red_Cat 7 Aug 7
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The clue is in the name. Health!

It’s not the National I Want A Baby Service.

With so many health issues competing for resources this is pretty well at the bottom with cosmetic and vanity enhancements.

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Plenty of children available for fostering or adoption. I don't think ivf should be available on the NHS, even if we get it better funded again.

CeliaVL Level 7 Aug 7, 2019
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Yup is a luxury

bobwjr Level 10 Aug 7, 2019
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I think it’s not an inalienable right that we all should have children. I don’t actually agree with funding on on the NHS at all, but if is going to be available, then it should not depend on where you live, whether you get it or not. There are far too many of the wrong people breeding willy nilly...they never seem to suffer from infertility...that’s irony for you. Oh dear that makes me sound like a eugenicist! 😁

Breeding like the Windsors, you mean?

@Red_Cat Them too!

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I'll put my Functionalist Sociologist hat on for this.. We have far too many people, everything cost money, so therefore, at this time we humans do not need to use IVF. There are more than enough extra little humans to go around if you need one - adopt.
On an individualist level (Social Action theory), we have a drive to pass on our own genetic material. So it hurts not to be able to do so. Thus, we must allow the treatment to nurture the next generation.
So, should one size fit all? Who gets to decide who has access to limited treatment?
An easy choice if it isn't you.

Sofabeast Level 7 Aug 7, 2019

"the drive to pass on our own genetic material" is powerful indeed. Yet your point about there being too many people is the point we need to focus on: if we overrun our environment (not to mention poison it) it will cease to support us, and no primeval drive will do us any good. In my humble opinion, humankind will be best placed to perpetuate the species if we exercise restraint--not just in individual consumption but in terms of individual procreation. It might even be necessary to, for example, issue a licence to have a child.

@Red_Cat I couldn't agree with you more. It tends to be through the wild beliefs of 'god told me to' we tend to produce children we as a species cannot look after.
There is an interview with Spike Milligan who was a devout Catholic, but believed strongly in contraception. I wish the believers would take heed his words. If I remember correctly her was talking about some famine in Africa which is probably still going on, but people can't help having sex and thus making babies they cannot feed etc.
In a way the planet/mother nature is trying to deal with the problem by wiping people out using the tried and tested method of starvation and desease, but we as empathic social creatures keep helping each other out in a half arsed way.
At some point, something bigger will go ping, and those of us in the west will be unable to help ourselves let alone others - I'm alluding to climate change and the effects from that which includes war.
For our speices to thrive on this world we need a unified world government who can try to control us more effectively. Reduce our population size to a level where we do not impact on the planet as badly as we are now. Fewer people = fewer cars, heaters, and food production etc.
I could rant for ages on this with no real nice solution

@Sofabeast That ping has already pinged:

[rebellion.earth]

I agree about a world government, but I am not confident that humans (or the rest of the planet) will survive long enough to gain the wisdom required to put such an organisation into place.

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An outright ban is unreasonable, however granting such treatment should be subject to vetting as would be the case with adoption.
Each case judged on its own merits.

My reply to Sofabeast (above) goes as far as suggesting a licence to have a child. That seems to be what you are hinting at.
Sofabeast also posed the question of who gets to choose the lucky recipients of IVF. We can probably agree it should not be the Pope, or any of his ilk. But who? And, in being part of a regime that has this policy, would we lose some of our humanity.

@Red_Cat
I am not suggesting that having children be licenced, only that IVF and similar be subject to the same rules as adoption, with the same bodies administering it.

@LenHazell53 I was just letting my mind wander into an imaginary future. But I do think it is a point worth considering.

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