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Should there even be the concept of a "billionaire"?
ASTRALMAX comments on Apr 14, 2018:
I once worked for a mult-billionaire who rarely smiled and the only time that anyone could see the faintest glimmer of a smile was when he was reading the FT Index and his shares had risen.
David1955 replies on Apr 14, 2018:
That was probably an act just for you and staff. When out of sight he probably revelled in Rolls Royces, caviar, and the best call girls in town. :-)
Should there even be the concept of a "billionaire"?
Scoobs comments on Apr 14, 2018:
Wow...the jealously that exists in our world amazes me. The have-nots always demonize the haves rather than set it their goal to improve their own lives. You should really look into all of the good that most billionaires do in the world. They're not Scrooge McDuck, hoarding money so they can ...
David1955 replies on Apr 14, 2018:
You see this issue only as an insult to those individuals. The same old class jealousy argument. The real issue is economic systems that are out of balance and need intervention. Do you think billionaire class self regulation will ever happen? Oh and by the way, a lot of that billionaire generosity argument you use is an illusion. Clever accounting, trusts, foundations and all sorts of tricks means a lot of so called generosity is only money going between them and with every financial benefit ultimately going to them. The game is played always to their favour.
Why do so many people on here, especially the self-described atheists, spend so much time discussing...
David1955 comments on Apr 12, 2018:
Perhaps you might consider that for many here it isn't just that we have made up our minds about religion, but that we feel part of a movement that broadly and collectively aims to struggle against and challenge religion, working however we can in our own ways in pursuit of that struggle. So, it is ...
David1955 replies on Apr 14, 2018:
@marga I am very sorry to learn this. I couldn't have understood the context of your comment. I just make the point that I consider the term militant atheist, a term which was coined by believers, to be a compliment, though I prefer the term activist atheists. Militants and activists have lead the charge over the decades in changing attitudes about gender, race and other issues. Issues need militants to bring about change. That's how I see it. Anyway I wish you all the very best with your treatment.
VPNs.
ASTRALMAX comments on Apr 13, 2018:
See the following link in which the top 10 VPNs for April 2018 are reviewed. https://www.top10vpn.com/top10/
David1955 replies on Apr 13, 2018:
Thanks.
VPNs.
Nickbeee comments on Apr 13, 2018:
IVPN are a bit more money & highest encryption on market. Nord VPN are great and offer double VPN, Tor over VPN & a killswitch. Tiger are very good too & i currently use them. Consider using "Tunnelblick" as your VPN client rather than provided application. It's open source and highly secure. You...
David1955 replies on Apr 13, 2018:
I've used Tunnelbrick on my Mac. It hung my computer too often and lost connection too much. AIR have their own client which works better for me. I'll check about IVPN, thanks. I thought Nord VPN kept logs, but maybe that was Pure VPN. I'll check that too. Yeah, I check the dnsleak thing. That is important. Thanks the reply.
Why do so many people on here, especially the self-described atheists, spend so much time discussing...
ADistantShore comments on Apr 12, 2018:
Personally, I think the site should be even more critical of religion.
David1955 replies on Apr 13, 2018:
@marga your conditional sentence is in error. It is primarily, but exclusively, a site for nonreligious people, so one of its main purposes is to discuss religion critically. Why don't you just ignore posts about religion in the same way I ignore posts about issues that don't interest me. A lot of posts don't.
There is no agnostic vs. atheist! The peeve I have...
David1955 comments on Jan 20, 2018:
Excellent response @MichaelSpinler on this subject. I'm a little taken aback by a post that rails against people trying to "educate" others about labels while doing exactly that in the post. This issue has come about from a challenge from agnostics about the site and what it stands for. Having ...
David1955 replies on Apr 13, 2018:
@Kojaksmom not wishing to stir the pot about agnosticism, but I've had occasion recently to make this point, and I also state it here: I don't know why some agnostics say or assume that a God is unknowable. This is such an assumption. The easiest thing in the world would be for any God to make its presence known or knowable. A voice from the heavens and move a mountain 5 feet to the left. Easy. If any God exists, which I don't believe as there is no evidence, then it chooses not to definitively known or knowable. That's on God, not us. I refuse to say, God is unknowable, so I'd better be an agnostic. Any so-called God could be knowable if it wished.
Why do so many people on here, especially the self-described atheists, spend so much time discussing...
David1955 comments on Apr 12, 2018:
Perhaps you might consider that for many here it isn't just that we have made up our minds about religion, but that we feel part of a movement that broadly and collectively aims to struggle against and challenge religion, working however we can in our own ways in pursuit of that struggle. So, it is ...
David1955 replies on Apr 13, 2018:
@marga "I seriously doubt things will [get] better any time soon.... I won't matter to me, because I'll be dead." Perhaps it was dark humour, but it seemed defeatist to me. Things are getting better, but we need to keep up the effort against religion.... And so we come back to your post and people talking about religion which you questioned on this site. Full circle.
Why do so many people on here, especially the self-described atheists, spend so much time discussing...
David1955 comments on Apr 12, 2018:
Perhaps you might consider that for many here it isn't just that we have made up our minds about religion, but that we feel part of a movement that broadly and collectively aims to struggle against and challenge religion, working however we can in our own ways in pursuit of that struggle. So, it is ...
David1955 replies on Apr 12, 2018:
@marga the criticism of religion is about the religions, the nonsense they promote, the appalling things they do, not attacks on people. The attack against nonreligious believers is personal. You read it everyday in articles about atheists. So your comment is false equivalence, in my view. Your last sentence is defeatism. I don't agree. The growing rise of secularism and religious non belief particularly in the west is a clear trend. It's why religionists are so worried and why they attack atheism and atheists personally. So as long as I'm alive I'm not giving up hope. Do my bit. Wish I could do more.
Children.....I'm Home! ;-)
HippieChick58 comments on Apr 12, 2018:
Were you off on adventures? Welcome back. This is home, isn't it.
David1955 replies on Apr 12, 2018:
Hey HippieChick58, what happened to your pic? You've turned into a graphic. Miss the 'old you' :-)
I'm interested in what else you do in Oz in support of your non religious views?
walklightly comments on Apr 12, 2018:
I've never been the herd animal, not even the black sheep, more of a lonely wolf. I live in an area of more or less, but rather more, shallow spirituality of all nuances but the organised religious one. I call this the airy-fairy land. here I can proclaim my heathendom til the cows come home & no ...
David1955 replies on Apr 12, 2018:
Yeah, I get that. I'm not either. I'm not big on clubs and associations and so on, as I can stand people splintering and bickering in groups. I'd like attend an atheist event, like when Dawkins or someone arrives, but any affiliation I would be interested in would be loose.
The only one from Adelaide.
walklightly comments on Apr 12, 2018:
Welcome to the blaspheming gang, David!
David1955 replies on Apr 12, 2018:
Atheist ratbags? :-) The non Australian members wouldn't get that.
I am wondering why this site isn't called non-believers.com?
ejbman comments on Apr 11, 2018:
I disagree. I think that properly speaking, everyone is agnostic with regard to the issue of deities. We simply cannot know for sure. As I put on my profile, I am philosophically agnostic but culturally atheist. This means that I acknowledge it is impossible to know for sure, but also, that I regard...
David1955 replies on Apr 12, 2018:
@ejbman speak for yourself, not everyone. And BTW you keep saying God/s is unknowable. How do you know that? A God could make itself extremely knowable if it wanted to. A huge eruption in the sky, a thundering voice from the heavens, and move a mountain moved 5 feet to the left. Easy, for a God. That's why I am NOT an agnostic, as per your generalisation. I don't know if it's knowable or not. I don't care. I only care if there's evidence, and there's none. Atheist.
Being an agnostic site , how far does religious discussion get here?
Scoobs comments on Apr 11, 2018:
Despite it's name, I don't think this site is very agnostic :) This is pretty much an atheist site punctuated with a lot of new agers who believe in ghosts and aliens.
David1955 replies on Apr 11, 2018:
Yes, despite its name. :-) ..."ghosts and aliens.." and a few other things that bang and rattle in the night. :-)
“Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been ...
David1955 comments on Apr 3, 2018:
Christianity in its purest, viral, unrestrained form, is one of the worst memes in human history, a mental disease which has been broadly medicated, tamed, and ameliorated since the age of reason, but now seeks to reassert itself in its more original vile toxic form, and all people of reason and ...
David1955 replies on Apr 11, 2018:
@Silver1wun Indeed. Well said.
I am wondering why this site isn't called non-believers.com?
ejbman comments on Apr 11, 2018:
I disagree. I think that properly speaking, everyone is agnostic with regard to the issue of deities. We simply cannot know for sure. As I put on my profile, I am philosophically agnostic but culturally atheist. This means that I acknowledge it is impossible to know for sure, but also, that I regard...
David1955 replies on Apr 11, 2018:
@Freedompath then I would reconsider it. In the meantime I'm not going to call myself an agnostic about the thousands of gods humans have imagined over the millenia including Apollo and all the ancient gods. A logically consistent agnostic has to do that, as Bertrand Russell said, though in practice agnostics are atheist about all gods except the one they grew up with.
I am wondering why this site isn't called non-believers.com?
ejbman comments on Apr 11, 2018:
I disagree. I think that properly speaking, everyone is agnostic with regard to the issue of deities. We simply cannot know for sure. As I put on my profile, I am philosophically agnostic but culturally atheist. This means that I acknowledge it is impossible to know for sure, but also, that I regard...
David1955 replies on Apr 11, 2018:
@ejbman I've heard these arguments again and again here from agnostics about what is unknowable. I'm actually tired of it. I'm not pretending to know anything unknowable. I simply state that if I wrote "properly speaking everyone is an atheist" you would object. I'm rejecting the opposite statement. I wouldn't make a statement about what everyone "is" on this subject, and nor should you.
I am wondering why this site isn't called non-believers.com?
ejbman comments on Apr 11, 2018:
I disagree. I think that properly speaking, everyone is agnostic with regard to the issue of deities. We simply cannot know for sure. As I put on my profile, I am philosophically agnostic but culturally atheist. This means that I acknowledge it is impossible to know for sure, but also, that I regard...
David1955 replies on Apr 11, 2018:
No, everyone is not an agnostic. You can't make assumption like that. Atheists are quite clear. It's not a matter of whether we 'know' for sure, but what the evidence says, and on all Gods there isn't any.
Anyone listen to Zuckerberg today?
Charlene comments on Apr 11, 2018:
Exactly..I gathered he was a little light on details...
David1955 replies on Apr 11, 2018:
@Charlene it's the way of power and privilege, and it should be stood up to. The US govts treatment of Zuckerbergs today was so lame. Pathetic really.
Anyone listen to Zuckerberg today?
Charlene comments on Apr 11, 2018:
Exactly..I gathered he was a little light on details...
David1955 replies on Apr 11, 2018:
And a little light on business ethics too.
I am a former atheist, but after using psychedelics I have come to believe there is some form of ...
ASTRALMAX comments on Apr 10, 2018:
The only thing that mind altering drugs expand is the pocket of the manufacturer or dealer, they do not expand your mind but they do grossly distort your sense perceptions. Some people on LSD and other consciousness altering drugs believed that they were invincible and could fly, it was not long ...
David1955 replies on Apr 10, 2018:
Yes indeed. Linking back to the 60s, there are many things I like about that decade and attitudes, but not the drug mythology that abounded then. All those dead rock stars, for one, due to drugs.
What does karma really mean?
WileEQuixote comments on Apr 9, 2018:
Nothing. It's another fiction. Like God, if it existed why was Hitler able to kill millions before it "came around" many years later? Why are children raped and killed, many with their attackers never found let alone convicted? Why are some born into abject poverty and others fabulous ...
David1955 replies on Apr 10, 2018:
I like your hard cold reality take on this, and I agree. Good things happen to good people. Bad things happen to good people. Bad things happen to bad people. Good things happen to bad people. It's a jumbled up mess of contradictions and inconsistencies. Only silly religions using subjective human thinking wired on the basis of cause and effect assumptions that cannot be proven come up with ideas like karma, because it makes us feel better, gives us a false sense of meaning. Our brains evolved to think like this.
Do you trust the Mainstream Media?
Rugglesby comments on Apr 7, 2018:
Have not watched TV or read a news paper since 1988, so for all I know they may be wonderful and honest by now.
David1955 replies on Apr 9, 2018:
In that case, I've got some bad news for you Rugglesby. Bob Hawke is no longer PM and we lost the Republic referendum. Sorry to be the bearer of bad tidings. :-)
Then & now,...thoughts?
OpposingOpposum comments on Apr 6, 2018:
I think of this every time some asshat says "women in America have it good. There's no sexism here". I know damn well this kind of thing is waiting right under the suface and it wouldn't take much for us to go full "handmaids tale".
David1955 replies on Apr 6, 2018:
Though well made and acted, I only watched a couple of episodes of handmaids tale. Just too unsettling to watch. Of all the dystopian futures projected, a high tech new religious dark age is the worst for me, probably because huge numbers of right wing religious Christian crazies would like nothing better, with God everywhere and women on a leash.
Now level 7 yea! Actually don't care, but I am the guy that wears atheist t shirts whenever I go to ...
David1955 comments on Apr 4, 2018:
A word to the wise David. Never look desperate. Like, Ah, who needs that old agnostic Tshirt. 'Don't mean nothin' to me.' Who needs to be at level 8 anyway. It's just a Tshirt. Just ..a ..Tshirt. Just keep telling yourself that. That's what I'm doing. :-) BTW, who is your tailor for those ...
David1955 replies on Apr 4, 2018:
@DavidLaDeau thanks.
Hell?
LadyAlyxandrea comments on Apr 2, 2018:
Pope Frank is an interesting man. Many call him a fake pope, or the antipope. I wonder how a fake pope could exist considering they believe he is the holy babysitter appointed by God himself. Is it not blasphemous to question the man God himself chose to speak on his behalf? You and I both know all ...
David1955 replies on Apr 3, 2018:
@LadyAlyxandrea well, I don't see progress, only media spin, and even worse a camouflage for regressive activities at ground level. So, we'll just have to politely agree to disagree I guess.
Besides Agnostic.com what other websites do you spend time on?
David1955 comments on Apr 3, 2018:
If you mean social media, then none, other than this. I've just started looking at Atheist Republic to check that out. One Google+ group on my favourite star I contribute to. I use YouTube a lot. Other than that, it's info, news, wiki sites, sites for my teaching work, and some commercial sites I ...
David1955 replies on Apr 3, 2018:
@markdevenish yes, I see good content on AR but not a daily active community. This community here is unique.
Hell?
LadyAlyxandrea comments on Apr 2, 2018:
Pope Frank is an interesting man. Many call him a fake pope, or the antipope. I wonder how a fake pope could exist considering they believe he is the holy babysitter appointed by God himself. Is it not blasphemous to question the man God himself chose to speak on his behalf? You and I both know all ...
David1955 replies on Apr 3, 2018:
@LadyAlyxandrea you're right, point taken. I keep thinking that if there's anywhere where this Catholic spin should be called out, it's here on this site and this group. That's all. The mainstream just fall for it hook, like and sinker.
Yay!! Got my t-shirt today! Woot woot! ????
David1955 comments on Apr 3, 2018:
What's the deal on the Tshirt? Do you order it on the site?
David1955 replies on Apr 3, 2018:
Ahh! I see. Well, I'm not one of Pavlov's dogs, so I'll just continue here as always following my own drum.
Men, do you agree with this quote from Christopher Hitchens?
ASTRALMAX comments on Apr 2, 2018:
Hitchens spoke for himself and his own disgust of his “need” for women. So, I do not take his statement to apply to all men. I have never heard any man say that he is or was disgusted by his "need" for women. Hitchens made sexist comments about women having no sense of humour and changed ...
David1955 replies on Apr 3, 2018:
Oh, yes, you put it well. I liked Hitchens the atheist, but not as much as others, and I'm sorry he's passed away, but there were other aspects to him I liked much less, like statements like this, and his politics and his views on the Iraq War. You're right about his provocative approach. This statement is an example.
Easter movie?
ASTRALMAX comments on Apr 2, 2018:
The Life of Brian is one of my all time favourites and the whole movie can be viewed on Youtube. See the following lnik. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bkIbZ7o5P4
David1955 replies on Apr 2, 2018:
Now that's what I call an Easter movie. He's not the Messiah, he's just a very mythological figure.
Hell?
LadyAlyxandrea comments on Apr 2, 2018:
Pope Frank is an interesting man. Many call him a fake pope, or the antipope. I wonder how a fake pope could exist considering they believe he is the holy babysitter appointed by God himself. Is it not blasphemous to question the man God himself chose to speak on his behalf? You and I both know all ...
David1955 replies on Apr 2, 2018:
@LadyAlyxandrea meanwhile, if you'd just care to look a little away from the I Love Frank tv show, with Ethel and Fred in the corner perhaps, you'd see the same old Catholic reactionary policies in the developing world where it is expanding. Regressive policies on gay rights, contraception, family planning, child abuse reporting (or rather lack of it) gender equality, stem cell research, and just about everything else where progressive minds take us, not to mention the drilling into children guilt, sin, damnation, and eternal hell. All still going on, and indeed increasing, while the Frank Show in swing time draws the cameras away, with a succession of one-liners about gays, hell, and atheists - all nuanced by his handlers so nothing of any meaning is left, save for the fleeting headlines in the 24 hour news cycle, bereft of serious analysis. I know, I know, excuse me, right?
Extended Survey about Atheism - This survey is for atheists/non-believers/agnostics, etc.
AustinSkepticus comments on Mar 31, 2018:
I hope they appreciate some of my clever answers lol. For What do you think when someone says I'll pray for you? I said: "That's just Christian for screw you."
David1955 replies on Mar 31, 2018:
My answer was, if they say it politely I say politely please don't, and if they say it assertively I reply very assertively not to and that its patronising.
So tired of being alone on the weekends.
Rugglesby comments on Mar 30, 2018:
Don't have netflix or anything similar, I have the beaches and my gardens. I am alone 50% of the time which is insignificant and a good thing. Loneliness on the other hand. All people here are 1/2 my age even when the house is full. Ocassionally a friend my age will drop in when passing through the ...
David1955 replies on Mar 31, 2018:
Sorry I'm not closer Rugglesbury, or I'd drop by for a beer, or iced tea (I don't drink)
If you could talk to someone that has passed away, who would it be and what would you say to them?
Silver1wun comments on Mar 29, 2018:
I would talk with Dr. Wilhelm Reich and try to console him in his bitter disappointment in the expectation that fifty years from his death, he'd be a little better understood. He is in fact no better understood today than 60 years ago when his lifeless body was found in a prison cell where he died ...
David1955 replies on Mar 29, 2018:
Interesting man. I concur.
Jehovah's Witness was canvassing the neighborhood yesterday.
Gwendolyn2018 comments on Mar 28, 2018:
They haven't been by my house for a long time. The last time they were here, I gave a lecture about the history of Christianity. When I got to the Great Schism, their eyes were glazed over and they were willing to leave me alone. There is, however, a bunch of them who frequent a McD's where I go ...
David1955 replies on Mar 29, 2018:
Oh dear, there's nothing more likely to ruin a JW's day than a lecture on the history of Christianity. Well done.
What is the plural of Jesus?
David1955 comments on Mar 29, 2018:
When did Jesus become the SONS of God?
David1955 replies on Mar 29, 2018:
@Bierbasstard hah! Along with ancient texts they keep hidden which shows their Jesus story is all BS.
What kind of atheist are you?
Reignmond comments on Mar 29, 2018:
Atheist before Atheism was cool.
David1955 replies on Mar 29, 2018:
me too.
The Top 10 Ways to Avoid Becoming An Atheist June 20, 2015 [atombash.
gloriadeb comments on Mar 28, 2018:
Old habits die hard. At times, I think "he/she" is monitoring my thoughts. I have to remember it's decades of conditioning. Damn me.
David1955 replies on Mar 29, 2018:
Think of it this way: With universe of billions of galaxies and trillions of suns and doubtless trillions and trillions of planets and possible trillions of beings, why would a God care about your thoughts, or mine? That's my view.
What is the plural of Jesus?
David1955 comments on Mar 29, 2018:
When did Jesus become the SONS of God?
David1955 replies on Mar 29, 2018:
@irascible Well shit, if you can be borne of a virgin, turn water into wine, make bread from nothing, and come back from the dead, I guess becoming multiple versions of yourself is a walk in the park.
How are you gonna spend Easter Sunday?
birdingnut comments on Mar 29, 2018:
I probably won't even know when it is, as it's not celebrated in Thailand
David1955 replies on Mar 29, 2018:
Yes, Christmas and Easter pass there without comment, as I remember. So great.
Anyone Like Tarot Cards?
Rugglesby comments on Mar 29, 2018:
I like the cards, ie the pretty pictures on some of the decks.
David1955 replies on Mar 29, 2018:
I just did a quick reading for you Rugglesby. It seems you're going on a trip.... and you are in for a big windfall.. no wait, it's actually a big bill... sorry. :-)
What do think and feel when you watch Sagan’s, “Pale Blue Dot”?
davyjones comments on Mar 28, 2018:
Possibly the single greatest paragraph ever written. Nobody has ever summed up the whole of human existence more eloquently or concisely before or since.
David1955 replies on Mar 28, 2018:
You said it.
[facebook.
LimitedLight comments on Mar 28, 2018:
Facebook? What's that?
David1955 replies on Mar 28, 2018:
An discredited social media site run by a totally unscrupulous billionaire that people used to use. That's what I've heard. :-)
Australia
David1955 comments on Mar 27, 2018:
And here, but between you, me and the black stump I'd rather be somewhere else.
David1955 replies on Mar 27, 2018:
@FrayedBear yes, we are mostly a coastal urban and semi urban population but our projected image is that of the interior ("Outback") culture where comparatively few live. Australia is the only country I can think of where you could watch that country's films all day and learn virtually nothing about the reality of people living there. The reason is our movies are mostly about that outback myth, one way or another.
Australia
David1955 comments on Mar 27, 2018:
And here, but between you, me and the black stump I'd rather be somewhere else.
David1955 replies on Mar 27, 2018:
@FrayedBear Bali isn't my cup of tea. Went there once. I like northern Thailand.
Australia
Donto101 comments on Mar 26, 2018:
I thought Australia was a hoax. Lol http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2017/03/australia-is-not-real-it-s-a-hoax-facebook-star.amp.html
David1955 replies on Mar 27, 2018:
No, not a hoax, but an illusion. The illusion and that Australia is a place where the weather is perfect 24/7/ 365 days a year, everyone is rich and spends all day on the beach, no one is unemployed, everyone is happy, and it makes Nirvana look like Hell. We know this illusion from our politicians and the media who tell the world this. The REAL Australia is one where there is a lot of unemployment and underemployment, lot of it hidden by phoney govt stats, where there is homelessness, a cruel social welfare system for poorer people, but every kind of lurk, perk and subsidy for comfortable middle class and rich people, a lot of tax on lower and my average incomes but not on high incomes, where rich companies pay little or no real tax, where our government spies on us online with powers that even the US right wing lunatics would be surprised to learn, and to top it off we lock up refugee children for years offshore, physically, emotionally, and probably sexually abusing them, because we want make sure we are safe from these non white people that it makes us feel better to look down on. On second thought, maybe you are right and it is a hoax.
Just watched the 60 Minutes interview w/ Stormy Daniels. Thoughts?
crazycurlz comments on Mar 26, 2018:
Her lawyer is brilliant. He's totally making a name for himself and has enhanced her career. What does that mean for Trump/voters? It's not insignificant. It's all about the money. Trump's lawyer says he paid her off and Trump didn't reimburse him and that's seen as a way-over-the-limit campaign ...
David1955 replies on Mar 26, 2018:
Interesting
Just watched the 60 Minutes interview w/ Stormy Daniels. Thoughts?
TiberiusGracchus comments on Mar 26, 2018:
If Barack Obama was in this situation evangelicals and conservatives would be all over him as being a moral degenerate and ruining American values. But it’s Trump so...silence.
David1955 replies on Mar 26, 2018:
Yeah, evangelicals are so consistent aren't they. Hah!
I've recently noticed that rather a lot of people on this site support big government, and I just ...
LeighShelton comments on Mar 23, 2018:
NEVER trust anything a government tells you. question everything.
David1955 replies on Mar 24, 2018:
@Jnutter819 .so, I think you mean the military industrial corporate ruling elite, and it's minions, which runs your country, badly. With that broader definition I agree. I've said similar things myself.
I've recently noticed that rather a lot of people on this site support big government, and I just ...
Flyingsaucesir comments on Mar 23, 2018:
Some politicians are indeed corrupt. And many others are feckless, selectively blind, and/or enablers of their party leaders. This certainly applies to most Republicans today. However, those people should not be lumped together with bureaucrats. Politicians are elected to participate in the ...
David1955 replies on Mar 24, 2018:
@Jnutter819 yes as yours America, the country. I get your cynicism and frustration. Progressive as in a social democratic agenda. Like Mr Sanders. Eradication implies revolution or anarchism. That's extreme.
I've recently noticed that rather a lot of people on this site support big government, and I just ...
silvereyes comments on Mar 23, 2018:
If not government, who do you expect to lead? Who will supply required services? What will provide structure? Regardless of the system, there will be corruption. I think we need a less corrupt system, yes. The problem is that lying, cheating, and greed are the factors that allow people into ...
David1955 replies on Mar 24, 2018:
Yes indeed. People should think how much largesse there is from the private sector in their lives. Very little, I'll wager.
I've recently noticed that rather a lot of people on this site support big government, and I just ...
Flyingsaucesir comments on Mar 23, 2018:
Some politicians are indeed corrupt. And many others are feckless, selectively blind, and/or enablers of their party leaders. This certainly applies to most Republicans today. However, those people should not be lumped together with bureaucrats. Politicians are elected to participate in the ...
David1955 replies on Mar 24, 2018:
@Jnutter819 your Democratic Party needs to be reinvented as a truly progressive party. Some there are trying to that, especially younger people. The corporatised corruption of that party through the Clintons and their ilk is difficult to change.
I've recently noticed that rather a lot of people on this site support big government, and I just ...
LeighShelton comments on Mar 23, 2018:
NEVER trust anything a government tells you. question everything.
David1955 replies on Mar 24, 2018:
Same applies the the media, multinational corporations, the military, and all large structures of power. The irony is that these other large power structures have trained the public to automatically hate government, while giving them a free pass because they're not government. It's not government that is the issue: it's large human organisations of power, all of which should not be trusted, public or private.
Do you believe Atheism is a religion?
Hominid comments on Mar 23, 2018:
Calling atheism a religion is like: - calling bald a hair style - not collecting stamps is a hobby - abstinence is a sex position - off is a channel on the television - barefoot is a type of shoe - unemployed is a job
David1955 replies on Mar 23, 2018:
Damn, that's so good I'm going to steal... erh.. borrow it.
Most attractive actor/actress? Or other well known face.
Scarecrow comments on Mar 23, 2018:
I have always had a special place in my heart for Sharon Tate. As for today, I have to say Nicole Kidman. And men...well, they are a dime a dozen, maybe Ryan Gosling?
David1955 replies on Mar 23, 2018:
Oh, I thought I might be the only Sharon Tate fan on this site. It's even in my profile. Life long grieving fan here. Contribute where I can on the Internet, including Flipboard. I would have said in my reply, but I thought the poster only meant living actors. They say all hetero males have a Goddess. She's mine. Older men than me, like born in the 30s and 40s, always say Marilyn M, but I never got her.
No gods for me thanks.
Freeman999 comments on Mar 22, 2018:
No gods for me thanks.
David1955 replies on Mar 23, 2018:
But what we need to know is, are you an atheist or an agnostic about them? Are you a Hatfield or a McCoy? (Hatfield here) :-)
The Historicity of Jesus?
luckytobealive comments on Mar 22, 2018:
Yes i got to read many dutch thoughts and articles about it on freethinker.nl And have a lot of ebooks concerning the myth https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIxxDfkaXVY
David1955 replies on Mar 22, 2018:
Thanks for this. I enjoyed watching it.
The Historicity of Jesus?
Julie808 comments on Mar 22, 2018:
After reading several books by various authors regarding the historicity of Jesus, I agree with Richard Carrier that while we can't know 100% for sure, Jesus, as portrayed in the bible, was likely born of myth. I've taken an online course taught by Carrier and read several of his books, including ...
David1955 replies on Mar 22, 2018:
I haven't heard that. Could you give an example?
The Historicity of Jesus?
Rhetoric comments on Mar 22, 2018:
Also, Carrier's a pretty nice guy to hang out with. I had the chance to do that recently and enjoyed our conversations a lot.
David1955 replies on Mar 22, 2018:
Lucky you. I'd love to meet him.
The thing that bothers me about christianity is that most of it is centered around the afterlife.
kiramea comments on Mar 21, 2018:
I have heard quite a few people describe Christianity as a death cult. To be honest, I have to agree.
David1955 replies on Mar 21, 2018:
I most certainly agree.
Describe your love life in one word.
birdingnut comments on Mar 21, 2018:
Imaginary.
David1955 replies on Mar 21, 2018:
If there's one place where my love life was definitely never imaginary it was Thailand and the years I was there. But, that was me. :-)
Does anyone know of an elected politician who is atheist?
Rugglesby comments on Mar 20, 2018:
In OZ we have many, we even had a female atheist prime minister, yet the religious far out number them and are currently in power. We are going backwards, going far to the right, I cannot understand why.
David1955 replies on Mar 21, 2018:
@Rugglesby Yeah, but I kind of like the fact that we are a practical people, even if it does lend itself to blatant self interest sometimes. I do wish sometimes we were more a people of Principles. We are, of course, but they are mostly other countries' Principles. (UK, USA etc)
Today's atheists are bullies -- and they are doing their best to intimidate the rest of us into ...
DEricLee comments on Mar 20, 2018:
"Christians" have a desperate need to play the martyr, so they invent bugbears like the "aggressive athiest" to justify their own beligerence when faced with someone who tells them "Please don't preach at me. I've already heard it." (The quotes around "Christians" is quite intentional. I know some ...
David1955 replies on Mar 21, 2018:
Yes, martyrdom is in the Christian DNA.
Does anyone know of an elected politician who is atheist?
Rugglesby comments on Mar 20, 2018:
In OZ we have many, we even had a female atheist prime minister, yet the religious far out number them and are currently in power. We are going backwards, going far to the right, I cannot understand why.
David1955 replies on Mar 21, 2018:
@Rugglesby Fortunately, apart from a few who vote for Christian right "family first" candidates, I don't think Australians generally allow religion to affect their voting. For Australians, the hip pocket beats the Bible anyway. You know we had an election here in SA last Saturday, and the Christian Conservatives/ Family First party didn't do well.
Today's atheists are bullies -- and they are doing their best to intimidate the rest of us into ...
IAMGROOT comments on Mar 20, 2018:
The article author's "opinion" that we are dangerous is spot-on. Atheists are dangerous as hell because we are finally organized enough and a large enough minority to be heard after a few thousand years of having had to "sink in the mud" without being heard at all. He (and all religions) have good...
David1955 replies on Mar 20, 2018:
That's an interesting take. The word 'dangerous' is a relative word. To those who opposed gender or racial equality the groups who sought and fought for those things were 'dangerous'. Opposing the status quo or challenging authority or outmoded thinking is always 'dangerous'. It comes from fear of change. This author is full of it.
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GipsyOfNewSpain comments on Mar 20, 2018:
Expect to be used somewhere else for other purposes... I am sure it is sponsored by facebook... "YOU WANT TO KEEP YOUR ALLY CLOSE AND YOUR ENEMY CLOSER".
David1955 replies on Mar 20, 2018:
@GipsyOfNewSpain well it looks like I'm not going to fool you. Silly me for trying. :-)
Today's atheists are bullies -- and they are doing their best to intimidate the rest of us into ...
jacpod comments on Mar 20, 2018:
Whoah! Thats telling us! Who rattled their cage?
David1955 replies on Mar 20, 2018:
We did... Let's keep doing it!
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GipsyOfNewSpain comments on Mar 20, 2018:
Expect to be used somewhere else for other purposes... I am sure it is sponsored by facebook... "YOU WANT TO KEEP YOUR ALLY CLOSE AND YOUR ENEMY CLOSER".
David1955 replies on Mar 20, 2018:
@GipsyOfNewSpain funny reply, since I never have and never would touch Facebook with a 50 foot pole, and don't do social media other than this site. You might want to watch that paranoia, by the way.
I have noticed that theists seem to more readily accept "I'm a nonbeliever" than "I'm an atheist.
David1955 comments on Mar 20, 2018:
Yes, the word itself, to some, conjures up a kind of extremism, a sort of fundamentalism, not to mention negative personal attributes. Nonbeliever and even agnostic seems more neutral and acceptable to many, which is simply silly. But that's how it goes. And if an atheist is quite upfront, clear and...
David1955 replies on Mar 20, 2018:
@irascible well I join you on that. An atheist, of course, can range from someone who simply says that they don't believe in God or Gods, through to those of us who are happy to exhibit strong opinions about religions and religious practices, and openly espouse a world free of, or freer of, religions. Of course we are criticised not only by believers, but also by some of the nonbeliever side, who think we should be nice little polite atheists and avoid a passionate stance against religion, because being passionate is bad. Well, phooey to that I say.
This Site Data Collection and Use I ask without any presumptions, but does this site collect, ...
GipsyOfNewSpain comments on Mar 20, 2018:
Expect to be used somewhere else for other purposes... I am sure it is sponsored by facebook... "YOU WANT TO KEEP YOUR ALLY CLOSE AND YOUR ENEMY CLOSER".
David1955 replies on Mar 20, 2018:
You really think Mr Zuckerthingamy would care about a group of nonbelievers? He only cares about money.
This Site Data Collection and Use I ask without any presumptions, but does this site collect, ...
GrantSmith comments on Mar 20, 2018:
I wondered from day one how this site is monetized and the answer seems to be "It's not"
David1955 replies on Mar 20, 2018:
It's a question of faith, below member. :-)
So.
Neill comments on Mar 19, 2018:
I'm pleasantly surprised that Australia ranks so highly. I do not understand why the US doesn't simply adopt our health system, which we call "Medicare." You might as well - we adopted your constitution (without the amendments).
David1955 replies on Mar 20, 2018:
Because the conservatives in the US are pathologically opposed to any national health system anything like in Australia, the UK, and Europe. But remember we had to fight to get it in Australia, conservatives opposed it, dismantled the first one by Whitlam, 73-75, and have tried to scuttle the present one every way they can in favour of private, which is less efficient and more costly. Now it's part of the culture of the country, which conservatives hate. That's what the right wingers in the US want to stop happening there.
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David1955 replies on Mar 20, 2018:
Excellent, thanks.
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sassygirl3869 comments on Mar 19, 2018:
Didn't know this history at all till now. Christians fighting with Jews, Christians seizing power. Sounds like a prelude of the Crusades in Egypt or was it following the evil Crusades?.
David1955 replies on Mar 19, 2018:
@jlynn37 very very true.
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sassygirl3869 comments on Mar 19, 2018:
Didn't know this history at all till now. Christians fighting with Jews, Christians seizing power. Sounds like a prelude of the Crusades in Egypt or was it following the evil Crusades?.
David1955 replies on Mar 19, 2018:
@jlynn37 Yes, but the movie is grossly inaccurate, and completely lies about her death at the hands of the Christian mob. I wish a good film, or better yet documentary as films are always crap, could be made about her.
There's an update to the Agnostic App for Android, and it allows access by FB now.
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David1955 replies on Mar 19, 2018:
Thank YOU
Pope Francis. Bad or Good?
LadyAlyxandrea comments on Mar 17, 2018:
as far as popes go, I love Pope Frank. Dude has been making huge strides in bringing catholicism to the 21st century. However it's kinda like "who is your favorite serial killer"
David1955 replies on Mar 18, 2018:
@LadyAlyxandrea some of these things the Pope has supposedly said have to be looked at closely, often they aren't what they seem. I wrote a post about this, with some references, last week, as you might recall. But anyway, it was the analogy with serial killers that I wondered about. Let's face it, there are no favourite serial killers. I would think a better comparison would be politicians. There might be one we like, but we know they're all politicians ultimately.
Alain de Botton: Atheism 2.0 | TED Talks
David1955 comments on Mar 18, 2018:
I've heard this speech, and I've read him on this, and I still don't know what he really means. He's a typical philosopher: good luck pinning him down on anything. His gentler kinder atheism sounds a lot like 20th Century appeasement atheism to me, the kind I abandoned early in the 21century when ...
David1955 replies on Mar 18, 2018:
@scurry yeah, I get what you're saying. But one thing he seems to focus on is the social aspect of religions, the bringing together of people and so on. However, the truth is religions are actually in decline in doing that, especially in the western world. People congregate for all sorts of reasons, many of them good and worthwhile, and I don't see religion as a good model for that. I could never work out what he wanted atheism 2 people to do -- go to church, even we think it's crap, for the socialising? Really, I couldn't work it out. And if you can work out if he's an atheist or an agnostic, or whatever, then let me know. I never could. Frankly, he's probably a nice fella, but he's a silvertail and a pop philosopher, and not someone who inspires me in any way. I don't think his interjections into the contemporary atheism debate have been either helpful or all that well received. In my humble opinion.
Pope Francis. Bad or Good?
gsiamne comments on Mar 18, 2018:
I totally agree with what many have said but many have not talked about the money laundering of the Vatican bank. So, his god also needs money.
David1955 replies on Mar 18, 2018:
Good point. Have you ever heard of a God, or at least its organisation on earth, that didn't need money?
Pope Francis. Bad or Good?
LadyAlyxandrea comments on Mar 17, 2018:
as far as popes go, I love Pope Frank. Dude has been making huge strides in bringing catholicism to the 21st century. However it's kinda like "who is your favorite serial killer"
David1955 replies on Mar 18, 2018:
With respect, that's a strange analogy, but I guess you were jesting. "Huge strides?" Hard pressed to justify that one.
Pope Francis. Bad or Good?
4EvanSake comments on Mar 17, 2018:
If the pope trusts HIS (no women popes?) god's plan why does he sit behind bullet proof glass? Why doesn't the Vatican use their wealth to help humanity?
David1955 replies on Mar 18, 2018:
The Vatican won't even share their wealth with victims of their predatory priests, certainly not without a struggle, and then as little compensation as possible.
Pope Francis. Bad or Good?
Cynical-lion comments on Mar 17, 2018:
He's earned the nick name of "PR Pope" for a reason. He's probably a nice guy on a personal level and has used that to his advantage to make him look all hip and progressive to the masses, but still maintaining status quo. For whatever sensible and progressive thing he may say, you bet your ass ...
David1955 replies on Mar 18, 2018:
@JoelLovell Me too. There are many out there, and some in here too, who are taken in by this Pope and the Media spin around him. It's pleasing to read those who see through this.
Pope Francis. Bad or Good?
KKGator comments on Mar 17, 2018:
He's the head of one of the most corrupt organizations in all of human history. He might have some good ideas of his own, but they're getting lost in the noise of the rest of his hypocrisy.
David1955 replies on Mar 18, 2018:
Hear hear!
How many non-believers and others here are currently or previously expatriates?
walklightly comments on Mar 16, 2018:
for the past 17 years i have lived the life of an expat, you might say. the first year on spanish-speaking la gomera off the northwest coast of africa, & the years after that in australia, east & west, english-speaking, when my first language is german. i've come to the point now where i would ...
David1955 replies on Mar 17, 2018:
Well, you have been around. I couldn't imagine living in Europe long term. I really like the SEAsian region. I like the rough edge, I suppose.
How many people have had the experience of having to deal with an AYA (Angry Young Atheist).
David1955 comments on Mar 15, 2018:
More power to them. Angry young atheists is what we need for the future. You want polite atheism? Lots of that in the 20th century, when religion went from strength to strength, and became weaponised by Islam and Christianity particularly. Yeah, that really worked. Anyway, what you mean by angry is ...
David1955 replies on Mar 17, 2018:
@TheMiddleWay I also said " what you mean by angry is open to question" meaning I think they are only passionate, and that the reference to angry was a beat up. But this is pointless. I didn't join this site to deal with argumentative residue Catholics like you with little or no commitment to building a nonreligious world. This image you attempt to project doesn't work on me. There is an intellectual smugness about you which is insufferable. There are many people here with a genuine commitment to the ideal of creating a world without religion. Their ideas are interesting. Their stories are interesting. Their enthusiasm is genuine. They are genuine. You are a facade. You are boring. Your posts are boring. You are everything I don't want to deal with here, so let this be the end of it.
How many people have had the experience of having to deal with an AYA (Angry Young Atheist).
David1955 comments on Mar 15, 2018:
More power to them. Angry young atheists is what we need for the future. You want polite atheism? Lots of that in the 20th century, when religion went from strength to strength, and became weaponised by Islam and Christianity particularly. Yeah, that really worked. Anyway, what you mean by angry is ...
David1955 replies on Mar 16, 2018:
@TheMiddleWay wrong. I root for passionate young atheists. The poster called them angry. I said it was a beat up. As for you, I doubt you are capable of being passionate about anything, except perhaps the Catholic Church which you suppress. Some of us here, many I think, are passionate about creating a secular religious free world. That does not appear to include you.
Pope's Comments - A Reality Check There are a lot of people, including some here, who quote ...
sunhatpat comments on Mar 15, 2018:
About the Pope having the final say: In matters of church doctrine, the pontiff is only infallible when he speaks Ex Cathedra, I.e. from the Chair of St. Peter. Unless he specifies that he is speaking Ex Cathedra, his pronouncements are those of a mere mortal.
David1955 replies on Mar 16, 2018:
Interesting comment. I believe you are right. Some here of course would not agree. @TheMiddleWay
Pope's Comments - A Reality Check There are a lot of people, including some here, who quote ...
DavidLaDeau comments on Mar 16, 2018:
Francis is the leader of the most powerful organization in the world. If one studies Catholic history one knows that politics are actually more important in the high levels of the church than any particular religious concerns. I am not bashing the Catholic faith here. Read any history of the church ...
David1955 replies on Mar 16, 2018:
Hello David. Always good to get feedback from you and I always take note of it. Your comment is interesting and seems to suggest that the CC is really at the mercy of organizational inertia. Not sure if I have captured it. But it is certainly true that the CC is a classic moribund outfit: it needs to change to survive, but it can't change due to its ballast and theology. So Francis is trying to play it cute: pretending change to keep liberals hopeful, while not alienating the traditional rump. A lot of that is spin, but anyway, you can only do that for so long. Already liberal minded Catholics are realizing that the change is superficial. I wish they would wake up and smell the roses, but that's me. Best wishes to you.
How many people have had the experience of having to deal with an AYA (Angry Young Atheist).
David1955 comments on Mar 15, 2018:
More power to them. Angry young atheists is what we need for the future. You want polite atheism? Lots of that in the 20th century, when religion went from strength to strength, and became weaponised by Islam and Christianity particularly. Yeah, that really worked. Anyway, what you mean by angry is ...
David1955 replies on Mar 16, 2018:
@TheMiddleWay Oh give me a break! Your comment: "Dawkins and Hitchens.... are the epitome of arrogance and strong role models for AYA's" In reply you refer to one Dawkins site article, that says nothing specific like that about Dawkins, and 2 articles from 2 regressive-left magazines, Salon in particular that has waged a campaign against New Atheism for years as everybody knows. Yes, there are lots of articles and comments from people about atheism being arrogant. Big surprise! Blind Freddie and his friggen' hearing impaired dog knows that. Obviously you are part of that. Again, big surprise! You don't like Dawkins and Harris and alike. Tough. Get Over it. HUGE NUMBERS OF US DO! And if that means young people as well, then great. And history will show that these guys have had a huge impact on the debate, motivating atheism and atheists, and bringing the topic to the forefront. Yes they ruffle a few feathers, like yours. Tough. You like Mr. Dennett. He's more your style. Philosophical and warm and cuddly and grandfather like. I get that. But I doubt his views on religion are any more forgiving than Dawkins and Harris. He just has a different stye, which you like. And your statement: "Dawkins and Hitchens.... are the epitome of arrogance and strong role models for AYA's" is pure hyperbole. Not only does it not do justice to Dawkins and Co, but it also shows a patronizing attitude towards young motivated atheists who may have a number of factors influencing their attitude towards religion, not just slavishly following 'role models'. I began my reply to this post about so-called Angry Young Atheists by saying "More power to them". I say it again. To angry young atheists out there, stay angry, focused, reasoned and determined. You are the future. More power to you;
How many people have had the experience of having to deal with an AYA (Angry Young Atheist).
David1955 comments on Mar 15, 2018:
More power to them. Angry young atheists is what we need for the future. You want polite atheism? Lots of that in the 20th century, when religion went from strength to strength, and became weaponised by Islam and Christianity particularly. Yeah, that really worked. Anyway, what you mean by angry is ...
David1955 replies on Mar 15, 2018:
@TheMiddleWay in your humble opinion. Never ceases to amaze me how you jump on anyone's view that doesn't sit well with you, but your own gross generalisations and simplifications are just fine, like this one. @Varn
How many people have had the experience of having to deal with an AYA (Angry Young Atheist).
David1955 comments on Mar 15, 2018:
More power to them. Angry young atheists is what we need for the future. You want polite atheism? Lots of that in the 20th century, when religion went from strength to strength, and became weaponised by Islam and Christianity particularly. Yeah, that really worked. Anyway, what you mean by angry is ...
David1955 replies on Mar 15, 2018:
@Myah I agree. That's my problem with this post and some commentary. Angry / military atheist is a stereotype by religionists about the nonreligious. Individuals aside, the stereotype is hardly general. I decline to be sucked into religionist baiting or blithely accept that it's true. If some young people are passionate about their atheism, then good on them. Young people are often passionate. That's what atheism needs.
I am somewhere left of Marx and Leinien in my politics.
David1955 comments on Mar 15, 2018:
I'm not being pedantic, but I'm not sure what left of Marx and Lenin means. Could you explain that? My own thinking is much influenced by my early life studies of Marxism and other philosophies in socialism and related, and that continues to today. Lenin is not an influence on me. I'm a democratic ...
David1955 replies on Mar 15, 2018:
@ASTRALMAX totally diametrically opposite, I would think. I would also think left of Marxism would be anarchism, but I asked question in good faith.
Non-Religious Church?
David1955 comments on Mar 15, 2018:
The word 'Church' is a religious term. Can we please not use this term in relation to non religious communities. I understand the intent here and the idea behind it, people coming together with a common view. But I would never associate with a nonreligious group who called themselves a church. Not ...
David1955 replies on Mar 15, 2018:
@DerekFuiten it was an answer. And why have you added a question mark to your comment, which was not a question?
How many people have had the experience of having to deal with an AYA (Angry Young Atheist).
David1955 comments on Mar 15, 2018:
More power to them. Angry young atheists is what we need for the future. You want polite atheism? Lots of that in the 20th century, when religion went from strength to strength, and became weaponised by Islam and Christianity particularly. Yeah, that really worked. Anyway, what you mean by angry is ...
David1955 replies on Mar 15, 2018:
@DerekFuiten well, you are welcome to disagree. The way you express yourself is awkward, and doesn't help understanding.The bull headed you referred to is nonsense, so I'll ignore that. I'm not aware of all these so called angry young or old atheists, so I think the thread is basically a beat-up discussion, based on a false premise. Anyway, have a nice time here.
The religionists are getting scared.
TheMiddleWay comments on Mar 12, 2018:
I sincerely doubt this guys view of atheists is in the majority in the christian community, especially given the Popes acceptance of atheists within the catholic church and given that according to a pew research poll, acceptance of atheism is up. "While Americans still feel coolest toward Muslims...
David1955 replies on Mar 14, 2018:
@TheMiddleWay And I'm too old to be fooled by that crap. Try it on the gullible.
Pope's Comments - A Reality Check There are a lot of people, including some here, who quote ...
ashley44 comments on Mar 14, 2018:
Pope Francis has shown time and again, that he is not really a progressive. He has done very little to check the pedophile problem, reform the Vatican Bank, etc. When he was in Argentina during the rule of the military junta, he did not speak out against the horrible violence that was being ...
David1955 replies on Mar 14, 2018:
Right. I think, and I'm hardly an orphan in this respect, that the 'battle for soul of the church' between conservatives and the Pope is, dare I say it, fake news. He's playing off the ends against the middle. Keeping liberal minded Catholics in hope of 'changing the church', hence these PR utterances about atheists and gays, while winking to the regressive rump at the core of the church, clamping down quietly, away from the mainstream media, on progressives in the church at ground level, to assure regressives he's not really for change, all the while building a great image in the US in particular, because US money flows to the Vatican are huge. Nothing both amuses and appalls me more than when I hear so-called progressive Catholics say that they are 'disappointed' the Holy Father hasn't made changes in the way they hoped, but they remain 'hopeful'. I just want to shout to them, "He's playing you people!' But what good would it do. Faith-based denial is almost impenetrable. I sadly agree with you about the sainthood thing; it fits the pattern of this appalling organisation.
The religionists are getting scared.
TheMiddleWay comments on Mar 12, 2018:
I sincerely doubt this guys view of atheists is in the majority in the christian community, especially given the Popes acceptance of atheists within the catholic church and given that according to a pew research poll, acceptance of atheism is up. "While Americans still feel coolest toward Muslims...
David1955 replies on Mar 14, 2018:
@TheMiddleWay you only believe yourself, and Catholic Church spin.I have zero respect for you now.
The religionists are getting scared.
TheMiddleWay comments on Mar 12, 2018:
I sincerely doubt this guys view of atheists is in the majority in the christian community, especially given the Popes acceptance of atheists within the catholic church and given that according to a pew research poll, acceptance of atheism is up. "While Americans still feel coolest toward Muslims...
David1955 replies on Mar 14, 2018:
@TheMiddleWay ) "The Pope says he accepts atheists but you continue making the claim that he doesn't." Refer my post on this today. Not that you'll accept it.
The religionists are getting scared.
TheMiddleWay comments on Mar 12, 2018:
I sincerely doubt this guys view of atheists is in the majority in the christian community, especially given the Popes acceptance of atheists within the catholic church and given that according to a pew research poll, acceptance of atheism is up. "While Americans still feel coolest toward Muslims...
David1955 replies on Mar 13, 2018:
@TheMiddleWay 1. I don't care what the Pope's view is. It's meant for media consumption, through his PR people - oh yes, he's got them. 2. I'm not interested in quantifying "Destefanoism". I watch the docs about atheism and religion and hear the comments. I read articles almost everyday with comments from religionists about atheism; I hear comments from right wing evangelical politicians. Etc. Atheists get told negative things in everyday life. Those are the things I track.
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