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I'm on this other dating website and I've never been married with no kids. This woman responds to my message with "dating someone who has never been married or had kids would be too much of a cultural difference from my life for a long-term relationship."

OK, I do appreciate her viewpoint to some degree. Raising kids is the most challenging thing to do in this world, but her kids are gown up, out of the house. So now not having a history of divorces is now a liability in the dating scene? Is single with no kids a big red flag from a women's perspective?

AwarenessNow 8 June 12
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Gee, wait until she found out you were Agnostic or Atheist. She has a preconceived notion that was based on having one message from you. That to me is a huge reason to let that one go. Or maybe that was just a good excuse to let you know she wasn't interested. Onward and Upward!

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no. looks like you had a good feeel for what you want in life. It could be a red flag for others but I think a few conversations would clarify if that were an issue or not

btroje Level 9 June 12, 2018
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In a way I agree with her. At my age range a woman who has not been in a committed relationship, to me, is looking for security. She lacks the partnership skills necessary to maintain a loving relationship. My aunt married for the first time late in life. She spent the next 30 years picking fights with my uncle and asserting her independence. No thank you.

Did it occur to you that she independently took care of herself for all the years she has been single???? I call people that make a choice not to marry, smart.

@Iamkratom Of course but that independence makes it even more difficult to share with another. The question was about deciding to get married after many years of being single.

@Stepmomofdragons LOL You clearly don't know my uncle or myself. My uncle was German and fought 4 years (for the Wehrmacht) on the Russian front. He was captured and spent 5 years in a Siberian Gulag. He loved strong women (a Russian female doctor help him survive the Gulag) and I have a lot of his books about strong women. My aunt wasn't strong she was aggressive and pushy (she was almost 60 when they married) and was the instigator of their arguments.
My late partner came to the US from Iran at 24. She knew no English and had 2 kids and a crappy husband. They got stuck here and in 5 years she graduated from a University, had a third child, an abortion and got her tubes tied. She was the strongest woman I and everyone who met her had ever known. Her Urn has her motto "Discipline first, then love". I love strong, assertive and intelligent women. One needs to learn how to make relationships work and being solitary for a large part of one's life is not how one learns. She was 47 and I was 53 when we got married. She had been in a bad marriage for 25 years and that told her what she didn't want. I had had several relationships and, also, knew what I didn't want. One need practice to make a relationship successful.

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The no kids issue is not to me.

Depending on age, the never married part might be a light red flag as I would assume it meant the person had a fear of commitment.

I might find out I'm wrong -- maybe they had a 26-year live-in, like-married relationship or something--but that's what I would initially think.

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Most people get married and have kids so one mtght wonder what it is about you that kept you from doing that. The fact that I've been married and divorced 4 times sometimes causes people to wonder why my marriages all failed. While it is true that I wasn't willing to stay in unhealthy marriages, finding the right partner can be largely a matter of chance.

Amen to that, sister.

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I think she has other issues.

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Oh yeah bro... your lack of commitment to a train wreck means you are not "trainable".

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You dodged a bullet. Be grateful. Breeder entitlement is a prevalent theme in our society. People think that they are someone better, smarter, more responsible, etc. just because they had a few sex trophies. Yet, they roll their eyes when you point out that you can't go a day without hearing about someone murdering, abusing, abandoning, their children...or even stories of all the "dead-beat" parents. If the mere biological act of reproduction made people "better" in any regard, the news wouldn't be full of dead/abused/neglected kids.

Yet, breeders still expect everyone to think they are oh sooooooooooooo amazing.

You are a catch for any woman who valued education and career over just adding to the over-population of the Earth. Like I said, you dodged a bullet.

Never encountered that expression 'Breeder Entitlement' before but it makes a hellova lot of sense, now I think about it. Thanks!

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I suspect she fears you won't understand her attachment to her children unless you've "been there".

Or she assumes you're a playboy and will hurt her.

We all have our red flags I suppose. Mine is socio-economic level. I hesitate to date anyone that is significantly higher up than me.

Makes life a bit difficult since I'm more educated than most from a similar background as I but earn less than those whose education I match.

Agreed on this. I had someone a few years ago (from another site) who did not want to date me because I had no children, and therefore could not possibly understand (his words) how he felt about his kids, or what he'd been through. Agreed, @godef, NEXT.

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Next.

godef Level 7 June 12, 2018
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It just may be difficult for you to understand that her kids will always come before you.

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I think she may have been too close minded. Cultural differences? I think of that as one person having grown up entirely different, like a different country.

Personally I would be interested to know how or why you were never married and didn’t have kids. Curious but not judgy. I pretty much did was expected of me so I admire someone who is strong enough to do what is right for them

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I never married and I don't have kids because I decided to do some serious and not-so-serious dating, finish college, get a career, and buy a house instead of marrying the first person I seriously dated, pop out a few kids, go through a messy divorce, and wind up at the same spot I am now but with a lot more baggage and resentment

Seems like I dodged a bullet

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People who have had children don't always understand partnership. The Bible says cling to your wife. Not your mom you kids your dad. It's good advice.

Not sure I understand quoting from a book of fairy tales. What does Mother Goose have to say?

You're really quoting the bible for all of us? Do you know which site you are on?

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I had a conversation on another site with a man who had never been married or been a parent (he was 61) who said that he expected any woman with whom he had a relationship to put him first -- she needed to stop putting her kids first. I should add that he had dogs that he expected to become a priority for any woman he dated. He was angry and offended when I told him that I thought that was an unrealistic expectation. My daughter is an adult, but she will always be my first priority. He told me he thought that was selfish. Needless to say we didn't communicate further.
That said, I have a friend in a great relationship with a man in his 50;s who had never had a relationship before because of his father's death and the need to assume the family business and take care of his mother. It was finally time that he could think of himself.
So I have opened my mind to more types of men. There are a lot of reasons for all sorts of status. Divorce I get -- I've been there -- and there is some bias on my part to find someone with a similar history to mine. But i'm more open minded than in the past.

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My mom avoided dating guys that didn’t have kids because it could mean that they want some later. Now she married to someone younger that’s used to the bachelor life and it’s a huge change for him but she’s willing work on it. He’s got a LONG way to go though.
I don’t care either way but I’m on the younger side and so is my kid. I don’t have any experience dating with kids though.

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IMHO, don't think it is negative. To me it means you don't have baby mama drama. No child support and no alimony. All good things. It also means you might not understand my involvement with my kids, but I'm not going to assume the worst at the get go. I think you definitely dodged a bullet, that judgement was kinda harsh. It's not like you have inhabited another planet and you were a kid once and had parents. You know how those relationships work.

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No it isn't. That woman is being unfair to judge you for that.

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has anyone thought that the greatest difference that two people could have is that one is a male and one is a female

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It's a red flag for me. When I see never been married and has no kids in a dating profile it usually suggests they can't commit and do not understand the commitment it takes to raise children. I've tried to date men who have not been married and who have no kids. The one who hasn't had kids often seems to feel that I spend too much time with children and give them to much attention. Ummmm... They're kids... They need their parents time and attention.

@Kojaksmom this gentleman asked an opinion. I gave him mine. Stay in your own sandbox. There is no need to be hostile and rude.

@ArtemisDivine I don't think that was rude or hostile it was actually a question

@Kojaksmom Wow....that was harsh and unnecessary.

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I, too, would probably stay away from any woman who hasn't a "normal" life life experience. That would be for me a red flag about something being wrong. On the other hand, I've met some women who have lived an extraordinary life, to whom "normal" simply don't apply..

legna Level 4 June 12, 2018
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The older you get without being partnered at some point, the bigger the red flags....

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Man child ....lol sorry just kidding plus talking about myself until I was 39

Simon1 Level 7 June 12, 2018
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When I see “never married” on a profile, I wonder what the person is looking for. Have they had successful long term relationships? Do they want a casual relationship? If they want marriage, what changed so that it’s appealing now, or what prevented it before? A bit more information upfront would prevent people from assuming the person was just a player or had some serious issues.

UUNJ Level 8 June 12, 2018

What questions arise when you see "divorced" on a profile?

@bingst exactly! perhaps using that logic I could say if someone is divorced they obviously don't know how to maintain a relationship, so therefore red flags should go up. But let me add that would be kind of silly.

@bingst I’m divorced, so seeing my that
someone else is doesn’t bother me. I don’t get involved with anyone who is just separated.

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I have been on the other side of the coin in 2 ways.
Women with no ex and no kids would see my kids as an infringement, they are in their 30s, but still a big part of my life.
I have also had women who expect me to break ties with my kids as they do not understand my world.
I have dated women whose kids are nightmares and where I have had all sorts of battles with ex husbands from physical threats to court rooms. ahhh life, ignore it, hate it, you can't like it.

I'm with you on that one! even if a dating profile says that someone has grown kids not living with them I still take pause and hope for the best

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