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Whats the best argument for wining over a religious person? For efforts of trying to convert.

By Kingtomthebomb
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Walk away and win every time. Only losing sides invoke God or the bible

PhoebeCat Level 7 July 13, 2018
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Counter every argument with “nuh-uh” and win the debate 100% of the time.

indirect76 Level 7 July 12, 2018
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Whats the purpose of using logic against a belief? Religions do offer certain benefits, like community. Youre not going to win on anything trying to argue. I mainly give my opinion on it when im asked, and honestly those “debates” end up being much more fun and enjoyable rather than raining on someones parade spouting logic when uninvited. So i meh and move on past my facebooks friends crazy god posts, i love them and ill let them come to me when/if they want to. I don't hide what i believe.

And by the way i hope i didnt come across as if im judging, i just want to help save you the unnecessary stress 😁

Kepler-452b Level 2 July 12, 2018
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There really isn't an argument. If this were a reasonable argument, we wouldn't be having it. When beliefs are challenged, they dig in, and become even more defensive. The best thing to do is ask them questions that cause them to think about what they're really saying, and hope that they might someday notice the gaps.

Benthoven Level 8 July 12, 2018
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Trying to deconvert believers (because none of them were born that way) is a total waste of time. Why would you? If they have half a brain, they will eventually figure it out for themselves from objective, reality-based analysis. All you can do is be you if you are engaged in conversation/debate. Give factual responses but not with the intention of converting them. We're not on a mission to deconvert, but we should fight to protect our individual rights which are increasingly under attack by the current administration and a soon-to-be stacked SCOTUS.

IAMGROOT Level 7 July 12, 2018
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None. There is no argument they will accept.

KKGator Level 9 July 12, 2018
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Agreed.

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there is no argument that can change the mind of someone convinced they are right. there are no facts you can show a person , that does not understand and adhere to scientific method. for a religious person to break free of indoctrination, they have to be willing to change their mind based on evidence. they have to be willing and want to learn . you cannot fill a cup that is already full.

MichaelSpinler Level 8 July 12, 2018
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"You cannot fill a cup that is already full ... of bullshit". Your points are well made.

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I never try to convert anyone, since it isn't my business what they believe. I am happy to have a discussion though. I wouldn't mind converting Trump voters. Many of them think Trump is the second coming. The rabid cultists are beyond reason, but once in a while, I run into one who is starting to have doubts. . As long as a person's religion isn't hurting me, I leave it alone. Now, as far as the Trump followers go, they are often radical evangelistic Christians, who want to overturn Roe v Wade, equal right for women, LBGTQ rights, rights to contraception, rights to privacy and to make America into a theocracy. Since that affects me, I have a dog in this fight.

Wisewoman3 Level 7 July 12, 2018
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Why are you looking for converts? Atheism isn't a religion 🤔

SimonCyrene Level 6 July 12, 2018
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Leading a happy and successful life by example is the best answer for a religious person to consider a non believer.

No sense of telling God my plans, he would only laugh.

Castlepaloma Level 7 July 12, 2018
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Don't bother - it can take a lifetime to deprogram one person and it simply isn't worth the effort. It's best just to get on with leading by example; showing that you don't need any of that sh--.

David_Cooper Level 5 July 12, 2018
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I have found it's much like any addiction: they have to be ready to change their ways of thinking.

Notlost Level 5 July 12, 2018
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I have never tried to convert anyone, but overtime, after discussing various aspects of faith, a couple of folks l know came to be nonbelievers. I wasn't trying to change their ideas about faith. It wasn't something l set put to do. It just happened. They would probably have come to these conclusions on there own.

Sticks48 Level 8 July 12, 2018
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Typically, having a rational conversation with an irrational person is a waste of time. How do you make them rational? But, there are materials out there that can help you through the argument if you choose to engage.
[read.amazon.com]

eyespop Level 5 July 12, 2018
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That’s best argument I’ve ever seen
Very realistic

Morganfreeman Level 7 July 12, 2018
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@Kingtomthebomb exactly

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I don’t think theres any one argument that could win over most believers. Delusion and depression are very similar problems in that, you didnt think/reason your way into them so you can't think/reason your way out. Exceptions exist; some of us do reason our way out, but we had to do it for ourselves. You can make great skeptical thinkers’ material available to them but if they don't have the intellectual curiosity or dissatisfaction with their current story to dive in of their own free will, Im afraid its not going to do much good.

Wurlitzer Level 7 July 12, 2018
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I think it’s important to let people know there are alternative, socially accepted and non-religious ways of looking at the world, so when I come across people who choose to publicly discuss their faith by bringing it up I will often say something. But if they don’t indicate they want to continue the debate I will leave it at that.

Denker Level 7 July 14, 2018
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If religion is working for someone, I don't mess with them. Same for most peoples' delusions, it's when their delusions aren't working they need a friend more than they need "truth"

educatedredneck Level 7 July 14, 2018
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Patience and an infinite supply of "As was foretold"s to immediately follow each publicized scientific discovery.

chalupacabre Level 7 July 13, 2018
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Ask them if they believe in Zeus, the ask why not. And together make a list of why the believe of Zeus is a ridiculous idea. Then usethe same logic to disprove their believes.

RaulPerez Level 6 July 12, 2018
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A “theist” of one religion is an “atheist” to another.

Everyone is an atheist of something.

Just let them know that.

Seajay88 Level 4 July 12, 2018
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I've found with certain people, religion and politics are best left off the table. We agree to disagree.

bleurowz Level 8 July 12, 2018
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Your place or mine?

GipsyOfNewSpain Level 8 July 12, 2018
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Hopefully my response is taken as funny (and not sarcastic or negative), but a good possible answer was included in the question. A few bottles of wine might go far in doing the trick! LOL

mkeaman Level 6 July 12, 2018
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It's a funny question. Most people aren't argued into believing. Therefore, it's usually not effective to try to argue them out of it. Becoming a believer was never about making a logical decision in the first place. I think when they ask on the Atheist Experience "What do you believe and why?", they're attempting to get at what a person's beliefs are and how they got there. That way you can address WHY a person chose to believe in the first place. Logic is probably about 3rd on the list.

Humanistheathen Level 6 July 12, 2018
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