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I've always argued against the biggest islamic claim that the Quran is somehow unaltered since it was revealed to Mohammed.

I did some light research and found out about how it was compiled after the death of the illiterate man who had the visions. It took some 30 years or so to compile. The sayings of Mohammed were memorised and some were written down by his followers. Lots were lost due to death so what was collected was inevitably incomplete. Many attempts were made and rejected before one was accepted.

There are so many questionable aspects to this alone let alone the claim that it has been unaltered.

There is also a massive problem with the chosen language of Arabic too in that it is full of multiple meanings with the same words opening it up to vast interpretations. In fact there are 12 recoginised ways to read it and 20 versions in circulation. The way it is actually altered is through the hadiths which are basically interpretations and there are over 2000 of them. But anyone can come up with one and there are probably 100,000's out there.

So I think the claim that it is unaltered is mute because of this and that its very nature makes it ambiguous as opposed to precise. It really doesn't matter that it is unaltered because it was never precise or complete in the first place. Its like preserving a ship wreck with various sections missing that only our imagination can fill and claiming its still sea worthy.

To me, the Quran is an attempt to confuse and politically control the population left behind by a crazy warlord who was idolized by his subjects. After all he brought his followers wealth, power and status.

Nardi 7 Aug 21
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well, it's a religious tome. those have always been altered by kings, popes when appropriate, and emperors, for their own purposes, which generally had nothing to do with either the general welfare of the population or even faith in the faith in question. why should the quran be any different?

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You question the genius of Allah?

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What?!? You mean people make shit up to accommodate their desires and fears? Say it ain't so!!!

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But to investigate them at it was unaltered, you must first accept the assumption that these words were "revealed" And that they are divine in nature. Because if you do not accept those claims, whether they were altered or not, does not mean shit.

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So I think the claim that it is unaltered is *moot . . .

live and learn 🙂

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Only Islamic Fundamentalists, like Xian Evangelical idiots, believe this....find a better use for your time!

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Have you researched how many versions of the Bible exist?

no but i bet there are loads.

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The Qur'an came directly to us, via the angel Gabriel and prophet Muhammad, and the scribes, and the compilers. So - absolutely no chance of Chinese whispers along the way.

Ohferpetssake.......please go away!

What's you're problem? Interpretation skills? Or are you a religious nutter? If the latter, why are you visiting a site like this?

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All "holy books" are written by human beings and have been edited and altered to portray specific myths and support specific dogma. They are all odd mixtures of myth, altered history, and irrational religious dogma.

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I'm sure the Quran is altered words of Mohammed. All religious texts are meant to control the followers.

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The claim that he was illiterate man is also in question. As a member of a wealthy merchant family it is highly unlikely that he would have been uneducated.

Good point but it was said that all his sayings were dictated verbally. Never heard of him writing anything down.

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Whether altered or not, it is still just the ramblings of a delusional man, the same as all religious writings, and that is why ALL religious writings are so different in all aspects and tell conflicting stories. IMHO

This is how I debunked the claim for myself though.

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